Re: Money Well Spent to Make the World Less Open to Evil Spirits I also want to make clear, not blaming this on Catholic at all... but one has to wonder, why a school, secular or not would have new age type reading material. Yeah back when I read those books at that age I thought it all innocent but it's far from it, it was opening a door.
--- ...Bless my enemies, O Lord. Even I bless them and do not curse them.
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Re: Money Well Spent to Make the World Less Open to Evil Spirits Hasah if they are your books do with them what you will, I've gone through my own library and gotten rid of books I found to be offensive, even shredded a few of them.
But the idea of burning books wholesale, is a frightening prospect. All it serves to do is give more publicity to the book, author, cause, etc.
Have you ever read Fahrenheit 451? Interesting book. When we as a faith believeing people begin to limit knowledge through outlawing and burning etc, then we become a form of the Taliban. That is what the Taliban does it limits the rights of others in education, occupation, religion, etc.
As a teacher I have a variety of literature in my room, some are not my favorites, but the kids start reading. As they read, then i can guide them to the better stuff. Compare and contrast is good.
Look at the bigger picture, if we are burning books, what is to keep the Taliban or other groups from desecrating what we hold as holy?
As faith believing people we must allow choice or we become the Taliban.
Christ wants us to have choice to choose or not choose. In order to mace a choice there has to be one or more things to choose from.
Yeah people make stupid choices all the time.
This burning thing, think, somebody buys that stuff, the publisher, the author, the store all MAKE money. So the burning actually make it look like those items are better sellers.
I've found that speaking quitely with a manager of a store ( my local mini-mart, that had porn where my kids could see it) expressing politley and quietly my concerns, reaped greater rewards. The porn was removed to behind the counter and out of th reach of my kids and other kids.
Boycott those stores, and quietly share with the manager why by choose to boycott. By buying an burning the wrong people are making money
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Re: Money Well Spent to Make the World Less Open to Evil Spirits The blogger selling the burning of her own books is just getting rid of the new age junk she had. I see what you're saying though... I had the Native American Tarot Card deck twice now... first back in the 90's, the ouija board experience freaked me out and the friend I used it with... not to mention I don't want to think what we introduced into that house. An upstairs neighbor of mind he was a poet and one who I think had a nervous breakdown before and not quite recovered... he was doing automatic writing on his own... just a day or so after it all. I tossed my new age junk then... but... listened to my friend who said don't worry, it's not bad... meaning the spirits. But I couldn't shake that, what else can I say, still small voice warning me. I didn't listen though. I slowly got back into the automatic writing. Eventually wound up in WNY, met a wiccan friend and got to see all the New Age shops here. Bought another Native American Tarot deck and another... runes too, had an i-ching coin... pendulum... Even watched Oprah the day Deepak Chopra was on showing how to make something sway left and right, back and forth, clockwise & counter all with your mind... I got into all that junk.
I also know it was around the same time of starting all of that way before WNY that my eye started to have it's hemorrhaging problem, coincidence? I don't know but interesting now, even though it's not what it was, I can see out of it. It needs more surgery down the line but I can see out of it... for around 10 years all I saw was a big reddish brown blob. Maybe I get too stuck on wanting to try to help people not do the same dumb things I've done... I've done a lot of dumb things and ouija had to be the dumbest.
I grew up with visitations from the dead and what I'd hear in church didn't seem to coincide with what I was experiencing in real life... so I went with the deceptions instead of the truth.
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and after 2003 got rid of it all again, the new age junk
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--- ...Bless my enemies, O Lord. Even I bless them and do not curse them.
Amen
Re: Money Well Spent to Make the World Less Open to Evil Spirits To try to explain the days after that all. They still seem so surreal. My friend had a family emergency and was up north, I was still doing the writing, we had already tossed the ouija board because we were told to (by the 'spirit'). I remember very hard loud knocking on my apartment door yet nobody was there, I remember the drive out of Madison and our eyes being drawn to advertisement signs and billboards, almost simultaneously. I doubt I could find examples but things like 'you'll never leave', 'you're stuck with us' or try to think of similar slogans. That's just a brief nutshell of it, there was more but I really don't think much on that period of time, I'm just glad it's over and the past.
--- ...Bless my enemies, O Lord. Even I bless them and do not curse them.
Amen
Re: Money Well Spent to Make the World Less Open to Evil Spirits Thank you for your explanation, an my apologies if I got your gender incorrect.
I understand your feelings on the matter and respect them. I happen to have a different view, and I hope that you respect that also.
As it is stated in the Catechism, it is the intent that creates the sin.
I thank you for the respectful way you have spoken.
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As it is stated in the Catechism, it is the intent that creates the sin.
I can see that to an extent but if the Bible is clear about divination and other warnings that cover all the junk I once did... Was I not in grave sin in those days? My intent with the ouija, I was drawn to it, wanted to try it out, was it real or not? I also had a curiosity about my friend that had committed suicide, where was he? I missed people in my life.
Now I pray to God, now I've been slowly getting back in the habit of praying to Mary, or asking for intercession... I admit, mother is a foreign word to me. Back in my New Age days I'd just ask one of the 'spirits' and whichever one 'happened to be there'. I do sound like a crazy nut talking about it and that's why I tend not to talk about those days much.
It was the 1st or 2nd day of that ouija board, my friend and I... of course this was done in the evening when it's dark out, a few candles going, some new age music going and a few of the 'good' tarot cards laid out, I forget her reasoning of laying them out now... she was the wiccan, or 'white witch' as she said, I was just the wandering dabbler. Somehow this ombeyance (sp???) was supposed to ward off anything evil... yeah, ok. But that's where we were, where our thinking was.
It all now reeks of deceptions... things I "should" have seen as such back then but I obviously missed a lot of what I should've learned as a Catholic. I still have to wonder if my presence is even helpful, but that's me.
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--- ...Bless my enemies, O Lord. Even I bless them and do not curse them.
Amen
Re: Money Well Spent to Make the World Less Open to Evil Spirits I grew up on Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, Project UFO even Adam's Family, etc. All of that (even the last one) seemed to make that 'unknown' dimension more tame, not so scary or foreign. It was in the 80's overhearing a conversation about Shirley MacLaine and "Out on a Limb" that fed my curiosity even more. Curiosity killed a cat as the saying goes.
I appreciate the comments of that list owner from Amazon.com when she mentioned still being haunted by the new age. I can relate to that. I still remember those days, I live alone, if I got board, I could 'talk to a spirit' any time of the day... yet at the same time I had moments of arguing with them as I'd fight with if it was good or not. I totally believed either way I was stuck with always having that in my life. I tend to mix my eye stuff in with this because of the major improvement in my right eye compared to it's worst and the fact that back in those dabbling days... trying to convey my crooked path to a high school friend who came out and asked me if I was right with God. Back then I thought I was, now I know I wasn't. Back then I had my familiar spirits.
I don't rush home to watch a psychic on TV anymore. Back in those days I remember it popping into my head, 'Satan's sidekick', isn't that what I was in those 'psychic' days? My bag of rocks I carried around and cleansing them with apple cider vinegar and salt water... and the times I let them 'absorb' the energies in Niagara Falls when a pagan friend of mine and I went just to be in the water (I forget if it was the top by the Bridal Veil or not... I think near Goat's Island).
It was all such a major part of my life for so long and I never thought I'd be rid of it yet I have been now since June 2003. No more automatic writing, no more playing psychic for people and giving readings, no more looking at my horoscope and all the rest.
To borrow the line from a negro spiritual Civil War era, "Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty I'm free at last!?
--- ...Bless my enemies, O Lord. Even I bless them and do not curse them.
Amen
Re: Money Well Spent to Make the World Less Open to Evil Spirits Copying this over from my board & will get ths Catholic Bible version too but these verses;
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Phi 4:4-9 KJV
(4) Rejoice in the Lord always: and again I say, Rejoice.
(5) Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
(6) Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
(7) And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
(8) Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
(9) Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
Phi 4:4-9 NASB
(4) Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice!
(5) Let your gentle spirit be known to all men. The Lord is near.
(6) Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.
(7) And the peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
(8) Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.
(9) The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.
When I think of these compared to New Age/Occult lies (which they are lies/half truths (aka lie) it makes me all the more thankful to be away from it. I ruined my own books even though I probably could have sold them on ebay, ubid or one of those sites. The reason being;
1. I have no way of knowing if something 'spirit wise' had attached to any of them.
2. The NewAge/Occult books I had served nothing but to keep feeding into the trickery the deceiver was using to lure me away from God. Little did I know I'd be coming back to being Catholic in the end. There's things about my Protestant days I'm thankful of and I have all Protestants friends locally right now... 'cept the one Catholic co-worker I've lost touch with, hopefully will run into him again some day.
3. More and more things just seem to be clearing for me mentally.... many divisions compared to the Church. I know a handful of ex-Catholics here. So, God? Is there more unfolding in this all? Dare I ask? Meanwhile (pause) Catholic? Yeah, OK, Catholic again!
--- ...Bless my enemies, O Lord. Even I bless them and do not curse them.
Amen
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Deuteronomy 18:9-11 reads:
“‘When you come into the land which the Lord, your God, is giving you, you shall not learn to imitate the abominations of the peoples there. Let there not be found among you anyone who immolates his son or daughter in the fire, nor a fortune-teller, soothsayer, charmer, diviner, or caster of spells, nor one who consults ghosts and spirits or seeks oracles from the dead.’”
Noonan warns that: “If we were to write this same list in modern terms, it would include the following: Alchemical Hypnotherapy; Alchemy; Angel Guides; Angelic Channeling; Astral Cartography; Astral Projection; Astrology; Aura Work; Automatic Handwriting; Chakra Balancing; Chaneling; Clairaudience; Clairvoyance; Crystal Healing; Crystal Divination; Dousing; Echankar; Energy Work; EST; Etheric Light Body Work; Firewalking; The Forum; Geomancy; Hands of Light; Hypnotism; The “I Am” Movement; I Ching; Laying of Stones; Medicine Wheel; Necromancy; New Thought; Numerology; Out-of-Body Work; Past-Life Regression Therapy; Psychic Development; Psychic Healing; Rebirthing; Reiki; Shamanism; Silva Mind Control; Soul Travel; Spirit Guides; Spiritual Psychotherapy; Spiritualism; Table-Tipping; Tantra; Tarot Cards; Trance Mediums; Trance Work; Visualization; Wicca.”
This is repasting part of a previously posted article from;
Shea M.D., John B. (2005, November). The Church and the New Age Movement. Retrieved September 2, 2007, from Catholic Insight Web site: http://catholicinsight.com/online/theology/article_653.shtml
I used to meditate a lot, the new age way. Emptying my mind as much as I could, dimmed lights or no lights, new age music, etc. I had a freaky experience doing that once in my dabbling days and never could really get back into meditation after that though I did try for several years.
I thought I was still awake, I was sitting on my bed in Madison WI, open eyed meditation sitting Indian style and I remember it looking like someone had entered in my apartment... I don't think I heard the door open. I saw their shadow on the wall. I tried calling out and realized I had no voice, tried screaming and nothing... tried grabbing my phone and realized I couldn't move... then moments later all was back to normal.
We're told what to think about in the Bible, nothing in those passages includes the new age and occult type topics, ya know?
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--- ...Bless my enemies, O Lord. Even I bless them and do not curse them.
Amen
