Re: Check this out at Catholics 4 Huckabee! No thanks, I rather stay insane than just plain deluded in the buttery mix of a popcorn machine. McCain's views abhorrent?
--- Guilty people wear pumpkins for Landmine Awareness Day.
Re: Check this out at Catholics 4 Huckabee! No thanks, from me as well. I've probably said at least three times that if Huckabee won the Republican nomination, I would support him in the General Election. If the winner was McCain, I'd vote for him.
To vote for a third party candidate does nothing but help cement a democratic victory and is detrimental to the prolife cause. Even Govenor Huckabee acknowledges that running as a third party candidate is likely to get a Democrat elected. He said:
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“...I think a third party only helps elect Hillary [Clinton],” the ordained Baptist minister and staunch conservative told The Washington Post on Thursday. “I don’t see that being a good strategy for those who really care about pushing a pro-family, pro-life agenda.”
I think the Huckabee supporters should pay attention to what Govenor Huckabee has now pledged himself to, which is namely, the candidacy of John McCain and the unification of the Republican party.
Ladies and gentlemen, I called Senator McCain a few moments ago. It looks pretty apparent tonight that he will, in fact, achieve 1,191 delegates to become the Republican nominee for our party.
I extended to him not only my congratulations, but my commitment to him and to the party to do everything possible to unite our party, but more importantly to unite our country, so that we can be the best nation we can be, not for ourselves, but for the future generations to whom we owe everything, just as we owe previous generations all that they have done for us.
Senator McCain has run an honorable campaign because he's an honorable man. One of the things I'm proudest of is that the two campaigns that I believe have been run in the most civil manner are the two in the Republican Party that have lasted on their feet to the final. And I'm grateful for the manner in which he has conducted his campaign.
And, quite frankly, with your great help, I'm very proud of the way that you have insisted that we conduct our campaign. And it's been one that we will always be able to say was done with honor.
It's now important that we turn our attention not to what could have been or what we wanted to have been, but what now must be, and that is a united party, but a party that, indeed, comes together on those principles that have brought many of us not just to this race, but to politics in general.
Are these merely empty words?
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Throughout the last 50 years of American political history, there have been a number of highly successful write-in campaigns orchestrated by voters tired of the corrupt two-party system which they had been mercilessly subjected to. (Click here for the Wikipedia article.)
What write-in candidate has ever won the presidency of the United States? All those hundreds of thousands of voters who went to the polls for John McCain will go back to the polls in November once again for John McCain. Huckabee's supporters will vote for him, thus splitting the conservative vote and giving the Democrats a big advantage. Sometimes the lesser evil is better than the biggest evil. And that's what we're going to get if the conservative vote is split. There is no realistic chance for Govenor Huckabee to win the presidential election if he could not win the GOP nomination.
Let's also recall what Father Pavone said:
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Then the general election season arrives, and we may find that we don’t like any of the names on the ballot. At that point, we have to shift our thinking and focus on “better” rather than “best.” The reality usually is that one of several unsatisfactory candidates will in fact be elected. So we use our vote to create the better outcome and to limit the damage. That’s the shift that some fail to make.
Along with the obvious need to evaluate the candidates’ positions on the issues, starting with the foundational ones, we also have to consider that having the right positions on an issue does little good unless the candidate with the right positions actually gets elected.
Therefore, one should consider - from whatever side of the issues one is coming - whether his or her candidate has the ability to win against the possible opposing candidates in November.
That is a consideration which many people miss, but which is essential.
Re: Check this out at Catholics 4 Huckabee! I far like Huckabee better too but I see the point that if you don't have enough votes going for the prime candidate we could just be handing it over to Clinton or Obama... whoever ends up the Dem candidate. I can see still voting in the primaries that way but not for the final election. I hope we do see him as a pres some day.
--- ...Bless my enemies, O Lord. Even I bless them and do not curse them.
Amen
Re: Check this out at Catholics 4 Huckabee! I don't see a petition... will look again later & with my bifocals on. Still see w/out glasses but blurry.
The other thing, Catholics contacting McCain about ending abortion & why. To emphasize the unborn really are human beings and why abortion needs to end. I really would love to see Huckabee instead but at this point... we also need to pray McCain puts Roe vs Wade to an end.
--- ...Bless my enemies, O Lord. Even I bless them and do not curse them.
Amen
not to change the subect but... this is news that doesn't bode well for Nov.
Dem takes Rep seat These are the reasons McCain could get beat;
too close to Bush-they'll hammer him on that one.
too old-Obama is young and appeals to young voter
supports Iraq war-the American ppl oppose it and want the troops home yesterday
The RNC decided that John McCain was going to get the nomination.They had their minds made up from the get.
Huckabee didn't stand a prayer because they decided Huckabee wasn't their best bet.
Well,he was their only bet.McCain can't beat these guys.
I signed the pledge but that doesn't mean i can't step in the booth and vote McCain.Meantime i'm going to write to Fr. Frank and see what he has to say.
Hopefully McCain will have the brains to pick Huckabee as VP but i think it was a done deal with Romney the day he dropped out promising McCain his delegates.Unfortunately i can't convince the other ppls to vote McCain.We were disenfranchised but the evangelicals were really shut out.No longer having to count on them because McCain got the mods and liberal Rep (and some independents)they didn't care.They needed these ppl to get Bush elected,but they didn't seem to need them this time around.Plus as i understand it the evangelical vote split.Maybe because they got them convinced McCain was the 'presumed' nominee.
A lot of ppl voted McCain because of that and a lot of Catholics don't seem to think abortion is that big an issue.
Evidently the economy trumps all and even some Rep can't stand Bush anymore.
So McCain pulls this off it will be a miracle.Everyone is bragging he beats Obama in national polls.Whoppie doop-by 2%.A gap Obama the drama could close up by Nov and even surpass.
I don't think McCain can beat him.We can hope.Huckabee was the better choice.He could have.
God Bless,
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The result also could be an omen for November, when two other Illinois congressional seats are up for grabs following Republican retirements, and Sen. Barack Obama could bring out a huge turnout if he's the Democratic presidential nominee.
"It tells me that voters are ready for a change. They want new leadership in Washington," said Sen. **** Durbin.
That excerpt above is from your article. Don't you think it's reasonable then that if voters are ready for a change, for new leadership in Washington, they would not be inclined to vote for Mike Huckabee either, who is more conservative than McCain?
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too close to Bush-they'll hammer him on that one.
Huckabee is more conservative than McCain so why wouldn't the same apply?
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too old-Obama is young and appeals to young voter
We'll have to wait and see if age and experience trumps youth and inexperience.
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supports Iraq war-the American ppl oppose it and want the troops home yesterday
Govenor Huckabee on the war:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Huckabee.htm * Islamofascism must disappear from the face of the earth. (Feb 2008)
* We are making progress in Iraq, Afghanistan, & war on terror. (Jan 2008)
* Saddam might have had WMD and got them to Syria before 2003. (Jan 2008)
* Don't second-guess Iraq; pullout would be bigger mistake. (Jan 2008)
* Failing to find the WMDs doesn't mean they weren't there. (Jan 2008)
* Never questioned the surge; never supported timed withdrawal. (Jan 2008)
* FactCheck: Correct that Romney did support timed withdrawal. (Jan 2008)
* Iraq War: we invaded an imaginary country based on poor info. (Jan 2008)
* Know your enemy: jihadists would destroy civilization. (Jan 2008)
* Supports Powell Doctrine of overwhelming force. (Jan 2008)
* Re-establish diplomatic ties to Iran, so we can move forward. (Jan 2008)
* Go after al Qaeda's safe havens in Pakistan. (Jan 2008)
* Stay in Iraq because we're winning; we lose if we walk away. (Dec 2007)
* Train & arm Kurds to prevent cross-border PKK incursions. (Oct 2007)
* Attack Iran's nukes even if Congress says no. (Oct 2007)
* Many don't comprehend the threat: they want our obliteration. (Sep 2007)
* We bought Iraq because we broke it; responsibility to honor. (Sep 2007)
* We made Saudis rich; pressure them to help win with honor. (Aug 2007)
* Iraqi government disappointing, but we can't up & pull out. (Jun 2007)
* Insist that Iraq's neighbors assist military & financially. (Jun 2007)
* We needed 300,000 troops to win Iraq; must finish the job. (May 2007)
* Don't judge Iraq war while we're in the middle of the war. (May 2007)
* Iraq war has made us overlook domestic agenda. (Jan 2007)
* Opposing Bush's troop surge is a dangerous position. (Jan 2007)
* Make sure we finish the job in Iraq and finish it right. (Jan 2007)
* Strength is more effective deterrent to war than weakness. (Jan 2007)
* We should go to war with the army that we need. (Jan 2006)
* Deal with terrorism as a joint federal-state responsibility. (Feb 2001)
* Include states in anti-terrorism planning. (Sep 2001)
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Huckabee didn't stand a prayer because they decided Huckabee wasn't their best bet. Well,he was their only bet.McCain can't beat these guys.
I disagree. On January 3rd, Huckabee won in Iowa. Then he had no wins until Super Tuesday. While McCain took California, New York, Illinois, Missouri, Arizona, Oklahoma, Connecticut, and Delaware, Huckabee took Arkansas, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia and West Virginia.
Huckabee may have had some difficulty reaching people outside the evangelical base because he is a fundamentalist baptist preacher. I'll wager quite a few people would not consider him for that reason.
And McCain will never beat Obama or Clinton if the conservative vote is split. That's a sure win for the Democratic ticket.
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I signed the pledge but that doesn't mean i can't step in the booth and vote McCain.Meantime i'm going to write to Fr. Frank and see what he has to say.
That's true. But since I don't want a write in candidate that could potentially split the conservative vote, I won't sign it.
I think that's a good idea to write to Father Pavone and get his input. You can also read what he has to say about the upcoming elections on his blog: http://www.priestsforlife.org/blog/
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Hopefully McCain will have the brains to pick Huckabee as VP but i think it was a done deal with Romney the day he dropped out promising McCain his delegates.
We'll have to wait and see who he chooses. There has been talk of a few possibilites but I haven't heard Romney's name come up yet.
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Unfortunately i can't convince the other ppls to vote McCain.
I don't understand people who disregard what the very candidate himself that they supported has to say. I have to ask myself what this is all about. Mike Huckabee has now pledged his committment to John McCain and to unifying the Republican party. These people ought to pay attention to what their own candidate is saying. What are they thinking?
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Maybe because they got them convinced McCain was the 'presumed' nominee.
But McCain did not become the presumed nominee until he started winning state after state. That's when it became apparent that it was virtually impossible for any other candidate to overtake him in the delegate count. He was not referred to as the presumed nominee until then.
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a lot of Catholics don't seem to think abortion is that big an issue.
I agree. And those Catholics usually vote for a democrat.
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Evidently the economy trumps all and even some Rep can't stand Bush anymore.
Unfortunately, the economy is almost always the issue that trumps all. Nothing new there.
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So McCain pulls this off it will be a miracle.
Maybe. But It would have been a bigger miracle for Huckabee to have won. A Fundamentalist Baptist minister who is as conservative as Bush or more so, is unlikely to appeal to voters who are looking for a significant changes in leadership. A more moderate candidate may be more appealing.
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Everyone is bragging he beats Obama in national polls.Whoppie doop-by 2%.A gap Obama the drama could close up by Nov and even surpass.
They are close in the polls that I've seen. But in every poll that showed Huckabee vs. Obama or Clinton, Huckabee trailed by far more than 2%. I don't think it's bragging so much as showing they are running close, at least for now.
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I don't think McCain can beat him.We can hope.Huckabee was the better choice.He could have.
McCain may not be able to beat Obama. This remains to be seen. Huckabee was definitely the better choice for the prolife cause. That is undeniable. But it's over and he has spoken to his supporters, saying that he is committed to McCain now and to unifying the party.
Re: Check this out at Catholics 4 Huckabee! I click on that URL again, in Firefox, did edit/find in this page (or ctrl F) and nada... searched for peti and when it gets to the I doesn't find it, used their blog search option and nothing... so what is the actual URL so I can view it & decide if I should sign it? I'm a little lost sorry.
--- ...Bless my enemies, O Lord. Even I bless them and do not curse them.
Amen
