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Chit, I don't know what to do with "Wha-a?"
Wha-a means do you think Lee plans on eating it for Thanksgiving or using it to cure the common cold? If not your arguement has nothing to do with the topic under discussion which is wanton cruelty to a wild animal for obeying the laws of nature.
This bird angered Lee because he lacked the forethought to (a) research the problems inherent garden pools before building and stocking them with expensive fish which would have avoided this or (b) using his head after the first episode. Sharkey and Co. are dead because a human being failed to adequately protect them. BTW, does this pool have a fountain or waterfall in it? If not, well can you spell mosquito? 
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In short, Mankind is evil and stupid and animals are the victims of the marauder man.
So, think back on our posts for a second. I now raise my earlier statement. When Islam left Western Europe during the 12th and 13th Centuries due to cultural rivalry with Europeon royalty and religious rivalry with the growing Christian populations, it changed for the worse to this day. Islam forbade intellectual, academic, scientific and religious development along any lines of inquiry not in keeping with current Islamic thought. The middle east nations fell into their own version of the Dark Ages. One it has not yet recovered from.
The PETA movement and the other animal rights organizations contain this same anti-human, anti-science, anti-knowledge, "man is evil" mentality. I submit that before you elevate animals on a mass basis to some spiritual form equal to human dignity, that you remember that the world has a perfect example of that mentality carried to it's logical conclusion. It is called the Middle East nations.
You have your prejudices and I have mine. I'm not interested in religeous history but I would point out that it is Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition that insists man is inherently evil. I, on the other hand, think humans are just animals, no better, no worse.
I eat meat but I don't wear fur. I have about as much to do with PETA as you do. However, just because they're wild-eyed fanatics doesn't mean they aren't right about some things. Even you are right about somethings (occasionally, very occasionally). As I've said before, it's time to agree to disagree.
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Re: Love for all creatures, great and small
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Chit, I don't know what to do with "Wha-a?"
Wha-a means do you think Lee plans on eating it for Thanksgiving or using it to cure the common cold? If not your arguement has nothing to do with the topic under discussion which is wanton cruelty to a wild animal for obeying the laws of nature.
This bird angered Lee because he lacked the forethought to (a) research the problems inherent garden pools before building and stocking them with expensive fish which would have avoided this or (b) using his head after the first episode. Sharkey and Co. are dead because a human being failed to adequately protect them. BTW, does this pool have a fountain or waterfall in it? If not, well can you spell mosquito?
Good Morning Rocky:
Wanton cruelty?
Lack of Forethought?
Inadequate Follow-up?
No Fountain or Waterfall?
I see; Man is Evil and Stupid. That was exactly my point as to YOUR mind set, which I notice you didn't address.
But as to the above;
In reverse order if you don't mind:
I have a very large waterfall that creates lots of oxygen and provides rough water for surface distortion that prevents predators (including racoons and large cats) from foraging on the fish.
Follow-up to the initial problem with this particular heron, included additional waterplants that provided almost complete cover for the fish from sun (alge reduction also)and any predators (as recommended by heron experts). Herons do not like to get their legs caught up in water lillies, etc. It is instinctual as a method of safety for the birds from alligators and land predators.
No lack of forethought in planning and successful against all predators to date; Except for one very large adult, rogue heron that acts contrary to it's known survival instincts used in hunting fish. This includes hunting in urban areas which is highly unusual. Like the rogue alligator that leaves it's habitat and shows up in the neighborhood water system.
As to wanton cruelty, those are your words. I'm pretty sure you don't mind when an animal is darted and then returned to the proper habitat. In a very real sense, that is the incentive I will provide to this obviously rogue heron that defies it's own instincts for survival.
Mankind has no responsibility to think for the animals. Mankind has tried and failed miserably. What mankind can do and is doing, is providing habitats and opportunities for animals to live unaffected by Mankind. That is the best policy. Remember that animals can live without a single human on the face of the earth. Humans can't do the same. So, either the bird learns a painful but helpful lesson for survival or someone else is going to kill it. It is a rogue and is performing contrary to its own interests. So, again, the bird will either disappear on its own (as it should have) or I will forge some new neural instinctual paths in its defective brain.
And you didn't respond to the earlier post. You know that isn't fair. No changing of the subject.
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The Marlins are animals and you were wrong about them. quote:
I see; Man is Evil and Stupid. That was exactly my point as to YOUR mind set, which I notice you didn't address.
I said: I'm not interested in religeous history but I would point out that it is Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition that insists man is inherently evil. I, on the other hand, think humans are just animals, no better, no worse.
This is my last post on this topic.
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10/26/2003, 9:10 am
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The Marlins are animals and you were wrong about them.
Well, you have me there.
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The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.
If I had printed the quote in it's more common shortened form maybe there would have been less consternation.
IA, Light several firecrackers and throw them in the backyard (NOT ON THE HERON) when he shows up. I'm sure he'll vavoom quickly.
Chit, I knew I liked ya, now I know why! Bless your heart for defending the defenseless.
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Re: Love for all creatures, great and small
People in this area who own pecan orchards use automatic carbide cannons. They go off at set intervals to scare away crows & squrrels. Cheap, effective & doesn't harm the animals, although I wouldn't reccomend using them in an urban setting.
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Re: Love for all creatures, great and small
Herons are not frightened by loud bangs or sounds. These are predatory fishers that nature endowed with great stealth. You can't frighten one away. You "inconvience" herons until they leave. Normally, urban buildup will take care of the problem. The only known "tricks" that are partly successful are floating alligator heads with lifelike glass eyes. But any object that stays still for any period is recorded as such in the heron's brain. That is why sounds alone don't scare them. You must associate sound with physical pain and then herons will almost always never return. If they do return, the pain "sound" will force them away.
I strongly suggest that you go to some of the great sites on the net and read up on the Heron's.
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Way too small!! Ask Frisky.
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