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Who'd be a judge????
Theyr'e on a hiding to nothing really, MIke Deaver summed it up when he gave his reasons at the Winter Fair, when he said about getting on with friends old and new.
It's been highlighted in the Expo thread about how people will always question the eligibility of a judge and I think we'll all agree that you'll never please everyone who ever judges.
I think, as will the majority of you, that if a judge can give DECISIVE and ACCURATE reasons for how he places a class, then whatever decision he makes, it's easier to live with.
I'm interested to hear from others, who's judging they admire and particularly who they think excels at giving reasons.
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18/1/2007, 11:27
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I think David Jones' reasons are a different class to just about anybody I have heard. His judging is very good as well!
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18/1/2007, 12:25
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
think Brian Miller does a really good job, been impressed with his placings and his reasons.
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18/1/2007, 13:41
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
There are alot of great young judges in this country and i think its time that we give them a chance at judging some of our major show.
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18/1/2007, 15:04
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I think the standard of reason giving is improving over here, but it needed to. There's quite a few of the older guys who judge and whilst I respect them and have no doubt at their ability to know or place cows, their reason giving leaves alot to be desired.
To be able to hold the ringsides attention whilst putting across your reasons for placing them in that order is hugely important.
Some people that judge have a natural charisma, in the way that they give reasons..like Brian Carscadden and Dave Chalack. Over here I've been impressed with both Paul and Steve Miller..... they're confident and precise with their comments and come across really well.
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18/1/2007, 15:45
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Denny Patrick, Bob Fitzsimmons, Loren Elsass, Jim Burdette, Michael Heath, Mike Deaver, Brent Walker, Brian Craswell
I feel all of these can give accurate and fluid reasons adn are talented judges.
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19/1/2007, 3:28
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mootoyou
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Who'd be a judge????
I agree, no-one ever said they have to be a good show-man to judge shows, but in reference to Charrymans quote how does it make for a good spectacle if the judge is a Showman??????????
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19/1/2007, 15:13
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
No matter how good any judge is, there is always going to be someone out there that complains about him and thinks he knows more.
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19/1/2007, 15:25
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Who'd be a judge????
Classcow I am going to add Jason Myers (windsor manor in md) and my dad Curtis day to the list(obviously I am biased on this one, but he has bred a good cow or two(all americans in three different breeds) and can really talk on the microphone) and the same goes for jason myers he has bred all american nominations in three breeds also and knows cows and can talk. Interesting how many of these guys came out of the Maryland 4-H program...
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19/1/2007, 17:05
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Never seen Jason Myers or this Curtis Day guy - whoever that is LOL!! - judge but I would certainly think both men would be qualified. As you said, they have both bred terrific herds of cows and milked their own cows twice a day every day. I respect those qualities a lot. I am certain there are many other up and coming judges here in the US that I have not seen (on both coasts probably) that are well qualified.
I have heard that Heath was actually a livestock judge in 4-H - is that true? I was surprised as he is a talented man with a keen eye for cows.
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20/1/2007, 1:43
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
Burdette, Myers and Van Exel. sorry Triday never had the pleasure of listening to your dad. Would be nice to see some new faces in the ring.
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20/1/2007, 3:25
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
As a new member to cowtalk i would like to say, that i was really impressed with Alan Timbrell at the national calve show. He was judging the arshires. 
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2/2/2007, 15:21
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
Wasn't Gilmour Lawrie judging the Ayrshires?
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3/2/2007, 9:37
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
Mike Deaver, Dan Doner, Brian Behnke
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26/3/2007, 21:10
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
not sure many people would echo doner after expo, from what i heard!
was really impressed with deaver at the royal.
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Surely the best judges are those that competently place the animals in the (their) correct order. This is usually achieved with the benefit of many years experience in the REAL world.
Why does a 'good' judge have to be a showman too? Sure, it adds to the spectacle but it won't make them a better judge
where will barclay phoenix drop in here after expo 2007?!
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26/3/2007, 21:18
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
Donner, Phoenix, cut from the same cloth, neither have bred a good cow in their life.
Typical of many of the so called top Canadian judges. Not sure why that is, but thats how it is. Most come from the show jockey mentality - by that I mean they have been fitters for those who actually bred cows, OR they purchashed usually in partnership animals that do well. (Those that get fitted best)
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26/3/2007, 23:10
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
If you look at the majority of top show herds, the majority have not bred their own animals. The top cows are usually all purchased. But then again, a lot of the top show cows never breed as good as the animal, so the heifers are sold.
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27/3/2007, 2:31
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
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Mike Deaver, Dan Doner, Brian Behnke
Indies, Were you not as Expo? How could you include Doner in this list? I know Dan and have sold severl head to Canada through him and I like Dan as a person, but he is not a good judge and it defitely showed at Madison.
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27/3/2007, 3:43
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ill have to go with deaver, chris hill, perry phend, and gus Swartzbeck
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27/3/2007, 7:11
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
Titan Tom, in a moment of boredom I was reading through old posts, and noted your comment above, bearing in mind where you worked, and the success of Frantisco at the Winter Fair, Are you insuating the Judge got it wrong??????
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11/4/2007, 9:47
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
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Mike Deaver, Dan Doner, Brian Behnke
Indies, Were you not as Expo? How could you include Doner in this list? I know Dan and have sold severl head to Canada through him and I like Dan as a person, but he is not a good judge and it defitely showed at Madison.
To answer your question I was at Expo and watched the show I thought Doner did an excellent job. I didn't agree with Durham Blue being Reserve Senior and Reserve Grand, but other than that I really think he hit everything right on the head. Hazel and Roy Image made a great pair of young cows and Ideal was definately the worthy champion. The only thing I would have changed was that I would have made the Charles 125000 pound cow Reserve Senior Champion. So yes I was there and thought he missed one cow, but for the most part was on the money all day long.
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13/4/2007, 1:14
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Who'd be a judge????
I thought Doner did a less than adequate job. It all started with his winter calf winner and the poor quality of his heifer class winners showed in the champion line-up.
Hazel and Image could have been found by Ray Charles!! Easily the best 2 young cows at the show in my opinion. I think his top 2 5 year olds were bad.
The telling tale was when he pulled a cow 8th in the first pull, her leadsman got shat upon and they switched leadsmen and Doner then placed her next to last. Not THAT is inconsistency!! (and humurous)
I like Deaver, Garrison, Patrick, Walker, Craswell, Fitzsimmons.
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16/4/2007, 1:41
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
see in the back of my canadian journal that gerald coughlin is now associate judge for barclay at madison?! whats that about...? i though he would have been associate from the start despite doing it before!
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21/6/2007, 13:14
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classcow
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had not heard that - I heard rumors that R. Peter was asked to be the associate.
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24/6/2007, 0:38
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
moo2you not at all. deaver got the royal smack on.
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25/6/2007, 13:12
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mootoyou
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Re: Who'd be a judge????
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moo2you not at all. deaver got the royal smack on.
Sorry TItan Tom I was actually referring to 2004, when Frantisco won. . . .who was the judge then? ? ?
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25/6/2007, 14:13
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