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A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
This thread will be locked for at least 24 hours for a cool down. We are treading on territory we do not like to step on.
Howie check your PM inbox please.
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19/5/2008, 3:41
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19/5/2008, 8:23
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titantom
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Re: …
back to the point
imho the pictures that appear in holstein internationals herd reports are really good, they show the cows in a more natural way, cows arent always full of milk and are usually pictured out at pasture a much more commercial picture.
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19/5/2008, 10:42
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Re: A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
Good point Tom, i fully agree. I do remember as a kid (back when I knew everything about breeding) selecting to use a bull called Browndale Stardust, what did it for us was an absolutley nailing daughter picture. She looked so dairy and balanced. And while he wasnt such a bad bull for us in the end (our fifth calvers were tremendous) you had to live with the other four lactations of cows that were more suited to pulling ploughs rather than pay the bills. Pictures are nice, but I spend a lot more time looking at linears these days
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19/5/2008, 13:06
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titantom
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Re: A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
me too, linears and daughter scores and it helps seeing them in the flesh. although i do like pictures to complement that info
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19/5/2008, 13:13
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A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
Now this seems to be back on track i will comment . We have had 3 daughters of young bulls photographed over the years and know how they have set them up tails toplines stood on blocks everything , i then seen the photoes then milked the cows . I not used any of those bulls and look at the linear of bulls there is more than science to breeding cows but looking at bulls linears will breed better cows than fancying daughter pictures . I cant think of any shocking type bulls but ure that the daughters they can find look good on photo.
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19/5/2008, 20:24
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A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
I remeber the first double page spread on the leuthenant daus in the canadian holstein magazine.Later that month the semex rep asked my husband what he thought - his reply was you know I could never use a bull whose first calvers have udders as deep as that.Seems like udders might have been the best part about him given what we now know about the daus temprement in this country.......
Now at the risk of shuting this thread again.....
a few years ago ABS had an ad floating around showing one dau of a bull (blackstar son from memory)While at the 97 expo I joined some south africans on a ABS dau tour - we went to the place to see this dau who was fresh on her 2nd - nice enough but carried enough udder.I asked to see her dam who turned out to be an ivanhoe (yes ivanhoe doubled checked that cause I couldnt believe Id stumbled on one) that was on her 6th calf and that's when ABS lost their sale!The ivanhoe looked like a spring chicken compared to her dau and everyone agreed that whilest the young cow was nice enough she wasnt a patch on her old dam who was back in calf again
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19/5/2008, 21:13
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titantom
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Re: A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
daughter pictures kept me away from using a certain alta bull...after seeing the double the page spread of his daughters developing between 1st and 2nd calvers i stayed well away!
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19/5/2008, 21:23
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A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
Howes BC Sassy was a first crop Charles and her photo sold piles of semen.
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20/5/2008, 1:43
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Re: A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
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Howes BC Sassy was a first crop Charles and her photo sold piles of semen.
Yep she had a jaw dropper of a picture.
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20/5/2008, 2:58
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AndrewR
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Re: A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
she was even better in the flesh, and looked as good at home as she did in the ring
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20/5/2008, 12:10
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Re: A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
here we are then smous; wildman, thought the cows were developing a bit too quickly for my liking and the udders seemed to lack texture
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20/5/2008, 13:43
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Re: A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
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Jeff you need to stay away from this topic. Especially in regards to "honest" pictures.
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This is what makes cowtalk a big joke. First you have staff members that show extreme bias, next you have threads that go off topic, end up in personal attacks. Yet somehow when someone sticks to the confines of a topic, mentions an animal, critiques an animal. It is going off topic, and is treading in "dark territory". Yet when it comes to bulls as someone else had stated, its hunky dory.
A good example of threads resorting to personal attacks. I post a thread "Crescentmead sale", yet somehow it resorts to past comments made, and only one had something to do with the topic. Somehow that remains unhindered, and left as is. Somehow that is not off topic. Most sites that are professionaly run (excluding cowtalk), have threads that stick to the topic. When it becomes personal, a moderator steps in, and brings it back on track (as buckeye did, in a bias manner). Usually when it becomes personal, its because the person lacks the intelligence to argue on his/her own merits. Case in point is Buze77's comment.
I have engaged in many civil debates on another site with intelligent people, that I have frequented for quite a while. Debates that could easily turn into personal attacks, yet they dont. Why? Its because many of those people are civil/mature/smart enough to avoid such attacks. It seems some here at cowtalk lack the ability to refrain from personal attacks. There are some good people here, but it seems those people avoid personal debates, refrain from making any comments, and those who do comment on a thread stay civil. That is likely because these people do not lack the integrity that others do. Whether it be buze, or certain others. When people do view this site from the outside, they see people like those mentioned, and view the site as a site run by a bunch of kids. It is why cowtalk is far from serious..
"Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either."
Albert Einstein
Many should take example of this.. Afterall dishonesty is respected more than those who are honest..
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20/5/2008, 15:51
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Re: A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
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quote:
JeffNYRC wrote:
Jeff you need to stay away from this topic. Especially in regards to "honest" pictures.
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Buckeye
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This is what makes cowtalk a big joke. First you have staff members that show extreme bias, next you have threads that go off topic, end up in personal attacks. Yet somehow when someone sticks to the confines of a topic, mentions an animal, critiques an animal. It is going off topic, and is treading in "dark territory". Yet when it comes to bulls as someone else had stated, its hunky dory.
A good example of threads resorting to personal attacks. I post a thread "Crescentmead sale", yet somehow it resorts to past comments made, and only one had something to do with the topic. Somehow that remains unhindered, and left as is. Somehow that is not off topic. Most sites that are professionaly run (excluding cowtalk), have threads that stick to the topic. When it becomes personal, a moderator steps in, and brings it back on track (as buckeye did, in a bias manner). Usually when it becomes personal, its because the person lacks the intelligence to argue on his/her own merits. Case in point is Buze77's comment.
I have engaged in many civil debates on another site with intelligent people, that I have frequented for quite a while. Debates that could easily turn into personal attacks, yet they dont. Why? Its because many of those people are civil/mature/smart enough to avoid such attacks. It seems some here at cowtalk lack the ability to refrain from personal attacks. There are some good people here, but it seems those people avoid personal debates, refrain from making any comments, and those who do comment on a thread stay civil. That is likely because these people do not lack the integrity that others do. Whether it be buze, or certain others. When people do view this site from the outside, they see people like those mentioned, and view the site as a site run by a bunch of kids. It is why cowtalk is far from serious..
"Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either."
Albert Einstein
Many should take example of this.. Afterall dishonesty is respected more than those who are honest..
Jeff
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20/5/2008, 16:21
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Re: A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
Personally I find this all a bit confusing.
What is the big deal with someone posting a view which someone else finds outrageous?
Is it not a public forum? Are we going to ban people from criticising bulls or cows in case the owner is offended?
If it's a silly criticism does it not just make the poster silly? Can other posters not just post a rebuttal? Why does it need moderator action?
Personally I enjoy reading controversial posts even if they are diametrically opposed to my own views.
Please lighten up I'm nearly getting scared to post in case I say anything heretical.
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20/5/2008, 22:19
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A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
Jeff wait til people ring you up and abuse or acost you in the street and give you an earful because they read an anomonous post on a website ,didnt agree and decided you wrote it!
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20/5/2008, 22:25
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Re: A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
the truth is an elusive imagery which shape and form will change when viewed from different angels.
I think Mark and the mod squad are doing just fine. others have tried but failed to keep a similar forum going. cowtalk is still up and running which I think is due to the fact that it is run by people from within the business.
Jeff, I don't know if you care for some advice but I offer mine anyway, instead of complaining about the response you get from your comments you can use the responses to learn about yourself. one comment that was quite an eyeopener for me was when the legendary Fifer said that I possibly needed to loosen the belt in my lederhosen a notch, something I've tried to do since. If you view the commments you get as hostile you won't have much fun here but if you view the comments as made in jest and respond back the same way, you will have much more fun and as Groucho Marx used to say "life is far too important to be taken seriously"
If the standards of this place has slipped it's because people like canuk, MMT95, Simon Powell, Bullpen, Charity and some others, either has left or are not as active anymore. I know Charity could stir things up at times but he did bring a dimension of pedigree reading that made him unique.
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21/5/2008, 0:55
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A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
personal favorite was 5 adeens at expo, but I'm slightly biased.
1. glenridge citation roxy single photo and produce
2. green elms echo christina
3. shadowcliff ra gina (the 14 year old photo)
http://www.holsteinworld.com/Any-Day/page2.htm
4. hillranch fond matt jean (the really old cow photo)
http://www.tommorrisltd.com/CatalogDoc/Harvest/HH_71.pdf
5. pinehurst precious
6. hanoverhill tt sallie at 12 or 14 or whatever it was
7. wapa bootmaker mandy (mature photo)
I couldn't find links for the others, but now isn't it easy to play nice  , all of these photos were done years ago before the computer, vet wrap toplines, changing backgrounds, front ends cranked up 3 feet in the air, to me they all represent the beautiful MATURE animals that holstein cows can become.
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21/5/2008, 3:27
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Re: A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
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triday1 wrote:
personal favorite was 5 adeens at expo, but I'm slightly biased.
1. glenridge citation roxy single photo and produce
2. green elms echo christina
3. shadowcliff ra gina (the 14 year old photo)
http://www.holsteinworld.com/Any-Day/page2.htm
4. hillranch fond matt jean (the really old cow photo)
http://www.tommorrisltd.com/CatalogDoc/Harvest/HH_71.pdf
5. pinehurst precious
6. hanoverhill tt sallie at 12 or 14 or whatever it was
7. wapa bootmaker mandy (mature photo)
I couldn't find links for the others, but now isn't it easy to play nice , all of these photos were done years ago before the computer, vet wrap toplines, changing backgrounds, front ends cranked up 3 feet in the air, to me they all represent the beautiful MATURE animals that holstein cows can become.
Can't argue with any of those. I mentioned the five Adeens picture before the thread was reset yesterday. It used to be on your website. I used to go to your site just to look at the picture. It definitely qualifies.
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21/5/2008, 3:50
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A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
Thanks for the clarification Mark. I had just assumed that the individual poster would have been culpable for their individual comments. Makes your job very unenviable.
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21/5/2008, 8:43
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Re: A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
Just as an add on to what Mark posted
The moderators have a facility to discuss what is happening on the board in order to keep it running smoothly.
The majority of members of the board rarely or never get or need any discussion from the moderators despite all the topics we check every day.
There a very few who have prompted pages of background discussion by the moderators. Absolutely none of these have been in relation to their individual views on cattle breeding, if we all had the same views Cowtalk wouldn't exist.
In EVERY case it has been regarding their attitude regarding how they treat Cowtalk and its members.
And if one of the moderators oversteps the mark the others will soon tell them.
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21/5/2008, 9:33
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A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
C Taraley Astro Sherry
Top Acres Pre Bouquet (Brown Swiss)
Duncan Belle (Jersey)
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21/5/2008, 12:20
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Re: A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
When i first found the COWTALK website I was just looking for more information out about finding bulls to help develop brood cows. I became a member posted the topic and got very helpful responses and discussion from many of the other members. Over the next couple years I have discovered that this site is more then just a message board for posting stuff it is a Cowtalk Community. Like most community it's members have different backgrounds and ideas. Whether it be breeding for type, index, health traits, crossbreeds, colored breeds, grazing, freestall, parlor, ect....Good ideas and information about farming and life have been shared. I have even had some good laughs from some quick witted comments. Although I don't really know anyone of you in person,I feel if we were ever to meet I could talk your ear off with questions about bulls, cows, and your management practices. But fortunately for all of you I can only post those sorts of things. But lately things seemed to have crossed the line and my screen name seems to have been dragged into this. I have never had a beef with Jeff until the Liddleholme sale thread. My jesting comments had a bit more bite and I apologize for making the statement. If someone wants to call me unintelligent, immature, or foolish go right a head I can defend myself if need be. But I have a hard time standing silent when someone states their opinion, or the opinion of someone they know, as a fact. Especially in regards to the quality of other people's cattle they have yet to see or a 95pt cow they have only viewed once. Sometimes it is alright to give positive comments about cattle other then your own.
I hope this post does not drag this site down. I just wanted to try and clear things up a bit since my name was the only one mentioned while others kept silent in Jeff's post. I felt obligated to give my apology and explanation. Hopefully this shuts the door on this cowtalk black-eye.
From now on I will do my best to refrain from any sarcastic comments that may be directed to toward any specific cowtalk members. -Buze77
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21/5/2008, 15:10
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Re: A Picture says a 1000 words!!!!
I think sometimes things may get written in haste without considering the implications, Once again, let's put past comments aside and get back to enjoying and discussing the topics which Cowtalk provides. . . .This site has lot's of positives which far out weigh in my oppinion the small number of negatives it encounters.
I originally posted this topic as I thought it would be an interesting one to discuss, and one where good cows or great pictures could be talked about in line with the topic about marketing.
It is an area where numerous contributors have alot to offer, and one, perhaps we can learn a little from.
Let bygones be bygones, and put the past aside.
Back to topic!!!
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21/5/2008, 16:55
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