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Re: Expensive Embryos
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Ballivor wrote:
i see the top price for embryos in the eurogenes sale was €4000 for Dudoc MR. BURNS from Gen-I-Beq Goldwyn Secret RC VG-87-CAN VG-89-MS 2yr no. 15 LPI cow in canada. i would say this was a good price.
i was just wondering what the most anyone here has paid for embryos and how they worked out in terms of return.
i bought eight embryos last year from a titanic maiden from ever green view elsa. i have two heifers and three bulls now and the heifer made VG, embryos were €500 each so i think i will do ok out of it but would be worried about spending €4000 on something!
Never bought any embryos, I was going to buy some from the lily family at Indianhead. Funny if I did when I was going to, I would have paid half as much. But the concern for buying embryos that cost that much, is a lot to loose to not have one stick. Then again, the advantage is, what if you do get a heifer on the ground? Of course there are risks with any of it, 1st choice at 60 grand or even 5 grand. Perhaps the heifers aren't as good as hoped, or buying a heifer at the same price as a single embryo, only to have problems breeding said heifer. So perhaps the risk is equal.
But what a return for the seller, the cost of flush is all that goes into the embryo..
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19/5/2008, 12:10
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our imported embryos have had a 70% sticking rate.However 2 farms that bought embryos thru us didnt have any success rate - one got 3 embryos given for free and the other didnt want any embryos because he felt his management wasnt good enough so he will probably get a calf from one of our flushes.(if he likes the pedigree) We deal direct with the owners of the animals and they are always keen to know results ..... anyone who wants to stay around will probably do a deal if one has "bad luck"
Having said that I had one guy whinge that 1 of his 4 embryos had no shell on thawing - my reply was wait and see ....the other 3 held for 1 bull and 2 heifers......
we generally pay around the US$500 mark depending on the exchange rate (under $A1000)Sometimes we pay the extra qualifying costs too.
The thing to remeber is 1) usual odds are 4 embryos for 1 heifer
2)dont buy it if you arent prepared to use the resultant bull because bulls are a fact of life and sometimes you only get bulls
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19/5/2008, 21:54
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I too have been tempted by purchasing embryos at sales but always talk myself out of it by the time the bidding starts. I guess I would rather wait and buy a cow or heifer for the cost of 4 embryos then try my luck getting said embryos to stick and produce heifer calves. I guess I am a firm believer in the old saying "one bird in hand is better then two in a bush"
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20/5/2008, 2:14
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You're right on the bulls. I flushed a grandaughter of Desleduc Star Marie a few years ago. I got 13 embryos, 8 pregnancies, and 7 of those were big bulls. The one heifer weighed fifty pounds at birth. However, she is still alive.
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20/5/2008, 4:13
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Re: Expensive Embryos
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I too have been tempted by purchasing embryos at sales but always talk myself out of it by the time the bidding starts. I guess I would rather wait and buy a cow or heifer for the cost of 4 embryos then try my luck getting said embryos to stick and produce heifer calves. I guess I am a firm believer in the old saying "one bird in hand is better then two in a bush"
Likewise here.
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20/5/2008, 8:03
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Re: Expensive Embryos
Bought some embryos from a VG grandaughter of Citation Roxy a few years ago,(cow can remain nameless) 10 implanted,4 stuck,3 bulls 1 heifer,the crappiest heifer i ever tried to milk,evil temperament,diabolical udder did classify her went FAIR-70.She was by Prelude(although i was happy with all the other preludes i had) the embryos were not mega pricey kind of mid range,just forget how much in fact try darn hard to forget all about it altogether 
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20/5/2008, 9:19
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We try to buy some embryos every year instead of live animals. Lots of draw backs but for us so we can get something diferent (usualy buy from the States), and its a way of getting into families that otherwise we couldnt afford to and biosecurity.
I THINK it was £6,000 Lavendar Ruby Redrose eggs were selling for 2 years ago! Anyone able to confirm/correct me on that?
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21/5/2008, 1:12
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Jeash
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I had heard that Redrose's embryos were selling for 8,000 but that was like tenth hand information. Either way, that is a lot of money.
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21/5/2008, 13:01
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Or you buy the embryos and you dont get any pregnancies. Or, you get pregnancies and only get bulls. Or, you get a heifer and she dies a few weeks after birth. Or, she lives and calves in two quartered. I think your getting my drift, there is a million things that can go wrong with these type of cows and only a few things that can go right. For every farm that makes it big with these types of cows there is one that goes bust.
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28/5/2008, 3:25
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you know what? if you dont get out of bed because you think the sky will fall on you .....the roof will fall in on you!
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28/5/2008, 11:14
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Jeash
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Foxleigh, that would just be my luck.
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28/5/2008, 12:26
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I spent lots of my savings from the age of 11 on pedigree heifers and embryos, up until now theyve all usually ended up really good but broken legs/hips/not flushed etc etc. Its only realy this past couple of years im out of the red and into the black with my purchases. My brother on the other hand put his money into a morgage on a house when he was at uni-he can now afford to get married and build a house..im poor! lol.
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28/5/2008, 19:46
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But sure look at the fun you have had.. 
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28/5/2008, 20:02
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Re: Expensive Embryos
If you are in the business of buying embryos .. . .then management becomes a key issue. . . .it's no good investing heavily if your'e not going to pay enough attention to detail when it comes to looking after the recips.
Heat detection, comfort, diet, herd health status, ET Vet and handling facilities all contribute to the final Conception rates.
For anyone new to it. . . .ask about, seek the advice of either your ET Vet or neighbours that do flush work and have success with it. . . .it's worth it!
Embryos provide breeders with the opportunity to tap into otherwise (for whatever reason) un-accessable genetics, without the use of ET work would cows like Roxy and Dellia have had as much impact on the breed.
There is no disputing the fact that investing in embryos can have massive rewards:
1) They can establish a new and marketable family within your herd
2) Resulting progeny from sought after families can command high prices from private and auction sales
3) AI companies are continually looking to source bulls from top cow families by popular sires.
If you buy into families which tick all 3 boxes, then it can be financially rewarding and fulfilling watching them develop.
My advice would be to research the embryos you are buying. . . we all know that when you calve an ET, your first instinct once the calf is breathing is to check if it's a bull or a heifer, with the latter being the preferred. . But. . . If you can sell the resulting ET bull calves into AI's for decent money all of a sudden the whole embryo business looks a lot more appealing!
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31/5/2008, 8:45
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JonnykelsoII
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Re: Expensive Embryos
Unfortunately its been the case over here anyways that bulls can be sold for better money to other farmers than to the AI's...maybe things are changing
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31/5/2008, 16:21
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a sale is a sale and helps towards next purchase
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31/5/2008, 22:04
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Re: Expensive Embryos
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Unfortunately its been the case over here anyways that bulls can be sold for better money to other farmers than to the AI's...maybe things are changing
That almost sounded ungrateful!. . . . your bull trade has enjoyed a revival in the last few years, the fact that bull trade is so good in your part of the world can only be seen as positive . . . . . surely?
I think more and more people are looking at the embryos before they buy, and paying more attention to the issue of getting the bulls sold either into AI or privately.
Whilst bulls like Gibson, Dundee and dare I mention the "L" name, might be respected by some, they are not bulls which your'e likely to find by choice in a bulls pedigree in AI, unless they are from truly exceptional individuals.
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1/6/2008, 12:16
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