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Lawn Boy P Red
we have 5-6 on the ground and I dare say we really like every one! kind of scary.
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29/9/2008, 13:36
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Lawn Boy P Red
is that charleston bull from quebec any good?
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10/10/2008, 1:53
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Re: Lawn Boy P Red
We have 6 Lawn Boy calves until now and they are GREAT!
Has anybody Lawn Boy sons that are sheduled for AI?
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Christof
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15/10/2008, 13:26
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Lawnboy has a grand total of 5 registered daughters in the UK spanning 4 months.I have some due in the new year and will be flushing to him next month.Has anyone else used him?
Well the first two are mine !
Does anyone know who the DWR herd are ? I notice that their female has been named with RC at the end , as of course it will be , having one parent who is red . The last time I tried to name a calf with RC at the end I was told I couldn't unless gene tested . I had an argument with HUK about it , they obviously don't know whats what with the red genetic inheritance .
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6/2/2009, 0:25
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Christof
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Re: Lawn Boy P Red
I see some very interesting sons are now registered in the UK. Unfortunately again noone (besided Hollysprings) of the breeders used the "P" in the names for polled.......
How is process of registration the polledness with Holstein UK?
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Christof
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6/2/2009, 8:08
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Lawn Boy P Red
I do Christof ! Hollysprings ( Robert Jones )and Waterhayne are longstanding polled breeders and use P or Poll in their naming . Maybe others do not know that they can . It has been permissible for a long time with HUK, if I knew who those other herds were I could contact them ......
http://195.153.22.85/holsteinUK/publicweb/AnimalData/Data/SelectableProgenyList.aspx?AnimalID=31373921
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6/2/2009, 8:26
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Re: …
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Lawnboy has a grand total of 5 registered daughters in the UK spanning 4 months.I have some due in the new year and will be flushing to him next month.Has anyone else used him?
Well the first two are mine !
Does anyone know who the DWR herd are ? I notice that their female has been named with RC at the end , as of course it will be , having one parent who is red . The last time I tried to name a calf with RC at the end I was told I couldn't unless gene tested . I had an argument with HUK about it , they obviously don't know whats what with the red genetic inheritance .
If you have a black and white calf from a red and white sire how would you know she carries red unless she is tested or she has a red and white calf? I think HUK is correct that you should not be able to register the resulting calf as an RC until testing her.
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6/2/2009, 23:48
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Christof
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Re: Lawn Boy P Red
I think for some it would be usefull to have a look at the enetic inheritance of red and black which can be found here:
http://www.redandwhitecattle.com/geninh.html
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7/2/2009, 0:06
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Lawn Boy P Red
Sorry Polled Holstein Breeder. I stand corrected.
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7/2/2009, 1:38
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No probs JEB ! HUK should take note .
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7/2/2009, 8:28
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Lawn Boy P Red
any thought on what to expect from a Lawnboy out of a Bacculum. Inbreeding or Line breeding?
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15/2/2009, 4:33
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Re: Lawn Boy P Red
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any thought on what to expect from a Lawnboy out of a Bacculum. Inbreeding or Line breeding?
Inbreeding and linebreeding are different shades of the same colour. Which term you use depends on how rose tinted your spectacles are.
Lawn Boy X bacculum is a half sister X half brother mating ... even if the maternal and paternal female lines were completely unrelated (this is extremely unlikely)there would be an IBC of 12.5%.
That said there is no problem with individual inbred matings like this .... provided the breeder is prepared to take the increased risk of revealing a recessive defect or having inbreeding suppression.
It is only when the whole global breed is headed towards being this inbred that problems begin to loom...
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15/2/2009, 11:25
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Lawn Boy P Red
It just seemed like a good mating if you were not looking at the inbreeding. Lawnboy would correct her where needed. She needs strangth, feet and legs. She has a decent rump. her biggist problem is her legs, to much set and hocked out. I guess we will wait and see.
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15/2/2009, 13:44
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Re: Lawn Boy P Red
If it works its linebreeding, if shes a screw pending a heifer its inbreeding. thats my understanding. Or at least thats what the older generation always told me
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16/2/2009, 2:22
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Re: Lawn Boy P Red
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It just seemed like a good mating if you were not looking at the inbreeding. Lawnboy would correct her where needed. She needs strangth, feet and legs. She has a decent rump. her biggist problem is her legs, to much set and hocked out. I guess we will wait and see.
With a mating so close you could end up with a deformed calf OR the next Goldwyn (IBC=15.8%), or anything inbetween! Its a bit like raising the stakes in gambling, you could win big time or lose big time!
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16/2/2009, 11:12
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Lawn Boy P Red
Expecting Rain, She is already 4 months along. Just seems some inbreedings work better then others. Some claim it is completely random and should be avoided. Others feel its the only way to breed great cattle. Was mainly just wondering if certain bulls line breed better then others. Pinehurst's thoughts were if the lines were pure you couldn't get enough
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16/2/2009, 13:20
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Lawn Boy P Red
seems bulls like Elevation, Starbuck, Triple threat, were crossed over and over again, and it worked. defied the inbreeding rules
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17/2/2009, 13:12
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Re: Lawn Boy P Red
gettin off topic but eryl vets comment on goldwyn being inbred got me thinking about the 1st choice goldwyn x james rose selling this spring. I saw that as an interesting mating
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17/2/2009, 20:17
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Re: Lawn Boy P Red
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gettin off topic but eryl vets comment on goldwyn being inbred got me thinking about the 1st choice goldwyn x james rose selling this spring. I saw that as an interesting mating
The calf will have an IBC of 19.43% (calculated on cdn) ... a full sister/full brother mating would be 25%. When you consider that Rose is already in the bottom 1% of the breed on health and fertility index, I would be really worried about the vitality of a calf from this mating! You would have to outcross it to Oman!
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17/2/2009, 21:22
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Re: Lawn Boy P Red
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cant wait to see how many horned heifers and polled bulls (out of average cows) i get
