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FRADON REDLINER
Allegedly my a$$.....
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4/5/2009, 18:16
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Mayjay
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Re: FRADON REDLINER
Now that I've ruined most red herds by selling Redliner, what kind of trouble am I getting into selling Absolute-RED CV* , it doesn't seem to bother people nor myself, but if someone can explain a little about CV without having the country quarentined, would be nice. I thought Durham had CVM and couldn't enter Canada. Why can we get Absolute and not Durham? In Canada CVC means carrier, and CVF means free. So what's with the CVM and CV*? Kind of a hi-jack, sorry.
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6/5/2009, 18:44
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Mayjay
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Re: FRADON REDLINER
I've done some digging and CV seems to be a non issue with anyone that I talked to.
Also asked again about Redliner, and there hasn't been anything new about him. To be quite honest, what you see is what you get. There is no miraculous discovery yet, and there may never be. He is selling better than ever in the States and buyers don't seem to care. The only scientific news I've heard, is that several vets seem to think that it has more to do with improper treatments of vaccines, given at the wrong times, that are causing some of the deformities. This probably won't sit well with some as an excuse, but maybe Earl can shed some light on what a vaccine can do to a fetus. There must be more problems out there than just Redliner, because some of these breeders have been told to change their administration practices.
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15/5/2009, 19:23
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FRADON REDLINER
Talked to a local breeder who used this bull pretty heavily. He has already had at least 5 deformities. He emphatically stated he would not use this bull again and recommend I dont either. Enough for me to be concerned. He was told it was a dominant mutant gene that most likely wont effect future generations.
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16/5/2009, 1:26
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FRADON REDLINER
ON the US Holstein website: Over the past few months, there have been several reports of deformed calves sired by the Canadian bull, Fradon Redliner-Red-ET CAN7528698. Holstein Association USA staff is taking this very seriously. We are in communication with Holstein Canada, the Canadian breeder and owner of Redliner, as well as Taurus Service, the distributor of Redliner semen in the U.S.
A pathologist has examined several deformed calves allegedly sired by Redliner and will continue to do so as new cases are reported. Initial genetic research on the pedigrees of the afflicted calves does not fit the inheritance pattern of a simple recessive genetic condition. Other hypotheses are being tested as more data is accumulated. Our investigation will continue until such time that there is complete confidence that any published material can be substantiated by the research.
Regardless of sire, the birth of any deformed calves should be reported to Holstein Association USA by calling 800.952.5200, extension 4225 or 4236.
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17/5/2009, 2:48
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FRADON REDLINER
I had my deformed calf blood tested as it was a purchased embryo and it did come back confirmed as a redliner calf.
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19/5/2009, 13:09
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Mayjay
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Re: FRADON REDLINER
I hope all is well in Redliner nation. Three have been scored in Canada now.
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24/6/2009, 16:21
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FRADON REDLINER
Yay for them...
(Sorry to sound sour)
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24/6/2009, 17:20
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FRADON REDLINER
On a lighter note, shouldn't there be some Redliner daughter almost milking by now, i wonder how these Redliners are going to look as cows?
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16/7/2009, 6:13
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FRADON REDLINER
There is some daughters in sales coming up. I am sure there is nothing wrong with them but if I bought one of them, would you buy calves or embryos from me? I like the idea of having something not many other people have but not if I can't sell anything. Please list how you feel.
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17/7/2009, 14:51
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Re: FRADON REDLINER
I have a Redliner myself and she is just over a year old now. We have been advertising her and have had peoples interest and even have sold some MAC embryos from her. I don't think it should be a problem because there is interest in these fancy calves. Some people are going to be hesitant on buying calves from Redliner daughters because they think they will transmit those deformities to the offspring but all in all I haven't had a problem selling embryos out of my Redliner here in the states so there is interest if they are out of good cow families.
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17/7/2009, 15:39
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Mayjay
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Re: FRADON REDLINER
Hilport, I'm assuming there are several milking in Canada now, as four have been classified, 3 plus, 1 very good. It's too early for milk projections to know how wet they are.
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19/7/2009, 15:56
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FRADON REDLINER
I have heard that the "problem" has been fixed. The rumor is that he had one testicle throwing bad sperm and that it was removed so now everything is perfect!
Who knows if its true. Still doesnt help me.
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21/7/2009, 14:07
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FRADON REDLINER
That explanation sounds "nuts" to me...
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22/7/2009, 14:42
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FRADON REDLINER
Me too! but its the only thing I've heard.
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22/7/2009, 15:05
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FRADON REDLINER
the august cattle connection arrived yesterday and inside was an ad featuring this bull......
- he is now $25 because of the success of his daus in the showring and the great udders of those calved
- if you buy a browndale young sire he is 15
and the best part of the ad was this .in red ink no less.
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" we appreciate the support that the holstein industry in north america has given redliner and extend a special offer on orders placed before aug 31 2009."
so there you have it a fertility specilist and a calving ease specialist with an inpressive genomic evaluation.
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18/8/2009, 21:16
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Re: FRADON REDLINER
I saw two Redliners the other day while on a tour. One was two days from calving and one was fresh a couple of weeks, both stood out from herdmates. A famous show jockey ( for lack of a better word ) had inquired about buying both heifers, which was a first for these guys. I got home from my trip to find a Redliner heifer calf in the field, miracles do happen.
Love him or hate him,
It's up in the air,
To purchase this bull,
It's buyer beware.
I personally have no qualms with using this bull. The scientists can't find anything worth reporting. It seems as though, if you have had a problem calf, you could have more problems, but if you have had healthy calves they will all be healthy. The bull X management X dams genetics, is more what they are leaning toward. Doug has enough confidence in this bull that he taking a young sire from him.
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30/8/2009, 8:42
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Re: FRADON REDLINER
Had a bouncing baby girl calf this morning, all healthy. Later on I went on the road for a while. Saw a calf with absolutely no tail, and asked if it was a Redliner, the answer was no, it was a result of a dose of repromix. Usually the results I see from this are Hereford calves, but this time the hereford had the last laugh. Heads you win but tail you lose. Then I explained why such a question would come to mind, and all he could say was leave me some before you leave. Funny story eh?
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1/10/2009, 3:12
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Mayjay
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Re: FRADON REDLINER
This board only has room for one comedian, so back off. I see or hear about more freaks of other bulls than I do about Redliners, other than on here, all because the breeder may not have waved to you at Madison once upon a time. So far anyone who has bought Redliner from me has bought more or is thinking about it. People trained to find the problem say that they can't find a problem. I realize that most people skip my comments without reading them because they've got better things to do. I've tried to the best of my ability to pass on everything I'm told. The best thing for anyone the least bit sceptical, is pass him by, cause I'm not getting rich on sales. Who would want a good looking red cow anyway? To sum up what I've said in the past, if you have had no problems, you won't have problems, but if you have had a freak , you in all likelyhood stand a good chance of being the recipient of more. Herds with problems have skeletons of some sort in their closet, all Redliner does is open the door. Please don't sue me for these comments ,as I'm visibly impaired.
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1/10/2009, 17:04
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Re: FRADON REDLINER
quote:
Mayjay wrote:
To sum up what I've said in the past, if you have had no problems, you won't have problems, but if you have had a freak , you in all likelyhood stand a good chance of being the recipient of more. Herds with problems have skeletons of some sort in their closet, all Redliner does is open the door. Please don't sue me for these comments ,as I'm visibly impaired.
For Redliner to be opening the door on these skeletons he must carry something himself. Even with one eye and a foundation tinted contact lens you ought to be able to see that.
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2/10/2009, 7:09
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Re: FRADON REDLINER
the one testicle theory is just that a theory and has not been expressed by anyone involved directly. By all accounts on the testing the "problem" is not a recessive trait and there is confidence that those offspring who are viable will not transmit any defects in there breeding. All parties involved are still actively working to solve the mystery and im sure when they do, if they do, it will be made public
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8/10/2009, 14:10
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first of all, i am not a vet but i think the vaccination theory is BS. We've used the same protocols for years and on ly had one calf come out like this. So if we have a skeleton that Redliner brought to the surface that none of the hundreds of other bulls we've used throughout the years has, then I think that mkakes him a problem.
Second, the same Taurus rep that blamed me for a deformed calf is telling local breeders (as he no longer stops here) that Redliner has no problems, however Rampage does. I personally think Rampage stinks, but I"d bet the ABS reps, would be thrilled to hear that.
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15/10/2009, 17:25
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Re: FRADON REDLINER
Boy, he sounds like a great guy.
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15/10/2009, 17:53
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Re: FRADON REDLINER
That fella shouldn't be allowed to sell semen. Most semen salesmen will try to fill your head with empty promises, but it's a cruel world out there and they have to eat. My advice would be to buy from the guy you like and support him, the industry could do without liars.
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16/10/2009, 16:25
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