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Ruann Dairy found to have TB.


Just found out from my vet that Ruann was found to have TB last month. Get this, the cows caught it from one of their Mexican workers. I guess they can DNA test the particular strain of TB and they traced it to a region in Mexico. They are quaranteening and disposing of the entire herd. They also quaranteened anybody who has bought cattle from them in the last few years. This is why Milksource did not show at the Wisc. Championship Show. I wonder what this does to Morsan farms who bought the Lassiter two years ago, and what does it do to people who have bought cattle from their sale? Talk about a mess.
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What about semen? They have been selling semen from Lassiter around the country.

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I may have dodged a bullet, I was thinking about ordering some this spring and passed. Another thing, did they show anything at the spring shows? This could get really messy. emoticon
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I think there are 3 herds in total so far in this county and I did wonder if the cows had caught the TB from the mexican labour force.If any of their bulls are at JLG this could mean any/all bulls housed at JLG could be caught up in this.
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Does TB spread through semen? I wouldn't have thought so.

An animal moved 2 years ago is likely as not OK anyway, probably prudent to test the individual animal at this stage but that's about all.

Why the panic, TB hardly spreads from animal to animal (mexican or otherwise) so it won't be all over the place, as yet. Chances are it's an individual animal or two, remove those & remove the infected vector and it should be sorted fairly quickly. At least you are allowed to remove your vector species. emoticon

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I think there are 3 herds in total so far in this county and I did wonder if the cows had caught the TB from the mexican labour force.If any of their bulls are at JLG this could mean any/all bulls housed at JLG could be caught up in this.



In Europe and I wouldhave thought elsewhere, TB is one of the pre-entry tests a bull must pass before he can leave the farm and enter quarantine at any AI station.

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Fear of the unknown can be pretty scary... but it is important to keep the risk in proportion. Any stud dealing with the EU should have tested bulls in quarantine prior to collection. There is a theoretical risk from artificial insemination of infected semen, but actually very low... I'm not aware of any reported cases of this but I will check. As far as the risks from cattle movements, a great deal depends upon how long the RuAnn herd has been infected. They should be able to get a handle on this from both the extent and type of lesions at post mortem and also the number of reactors. Also when was the infected worker there? If the infection is recent there is no point in panicking about cattle movements from several years ago! The important thing is for the US state veterinary service to trace the movements from RuAnn and TB test all the herds from these tracings. Cattle to cattle transmission does occur, but generally at quite a low level.. this is not a disease that is as contagious as FMD or bluetongue. Tb is unlikely to become endemic unless it infects a wildlife vector ... a pretty hot topic in the UK at present. To British farmers culling the entire infected herd would seem to be an over reaction, but it is probably justified in a TB free country. Provided RuAnn have kept good movements records of where they sold cattle to, and your state vets are up to their job, it should be possible to contain this outbreak without undue problem.
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Our vet was told that they are not sure which worker brought it in or when he brought it in. These large dairys higher illegal/undocumented Mexican immigrants all the time. Sometimes they know what they are doing sometimes the workers have forged docs. For what they know he could have moved on to another dairy already, there is a lot of turnover with these people. It sounds like the government is going to cull the entire Ruann herd which is sad to see. They have been in the registered business for a long time.
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Well looks like we need NPIS, since it will allow easy traceability and will help to reduce disease!!


Makes you wonder how many other cases will crop up, as migrant work increases in the states. If one Mexican has it, I am sure others do as well. I wonder if NAIS takes that into account..


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Then think how many Mexicans have false identities and it really becomes a headache.
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The solution is quite simple. Eartag all Mexicans that work on dairies and enter their details and all movements between holdings, on a national database. That should ensure the necessary traceability.



I'd better shut up before I start giving Dethra ideas. emoticon







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From Holstein World


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From Holstein World

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11/21/08: Producer calls for improvements to TB program
     The U.S. needs to rethink its bovine tuberculosis program, says a producer who has special insight into the matter.
  "Six months ago, I didn't know I had a bovine TB problem," Doug Maddox, of Riverside, Calif., told audiences at the Professional Dairy Producers of Wisconsin Dairy Policy Summit last week. His Maddox Dairy and RuAnn Dairy became involved in California's latest outbreak during the investigation of another herd that tested positive for bovine TB in 2007. That herd had bought four replacement heifers from Maddox Dairy. Since cattle occasionally move between Maddox Dairy and RuAnn Dairy, all animals
in both herds had to be tested.
   Surprisingly, an eight-year-old cow from RuAnn Dairy that had tested clean in 2002 and 2003 tested positive for bovine TB in late April. Maddox had tested his herds regularly and had previously maintained a Certified TB-free herd.
   Interestingly, DNA analysis showed that this strain did not match the strain found in previous positive bovine TB cases in California or the rest of the country. It most closely matched strains found in Mexico. It is suspected, but not proven, that bovine TB entered his herd via an employee.
   The current standard-herd plan generally offers owners two options if a positive animal is found:
* Depopulate the entire herd upon a positive test. This is voluntary.
* Follow a test-and-removal plan, which requires a herd quarantine and repeated testing that can last for years.
   Maddox is in talks with animal health officials to determine his options. A full depopulation would cost about $60 million in indemnity payments and destroy 50 years of herd genetics. However, an extended quarantine-and-testing program would not allow Maddox to merchandise cattle and possibly mar his reputation. "The rumors have been terrible already," he notes.
  "I thought by the time I came to this meeting, I would be able to describe for you our herd plan, but we don't have one yet," he says. A resolution is expected soon.
   Meanwhile, he has completed a second herd test. All caudal fold reactors have been depopulated (664 animals). No additional infected animals have been found and no additional infected animals have been found in herds traced in or out of Maddox and RuAnn Dairies. No replacement cattle have been sold by Maddox since April.



What do those in TB areas of the UK make of the US approach? How many would opt for whole herd depopulation if it was an option at full valuation??
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Good if you are looking to get out.

Otherwise, daft. If you can get bTB once, you can get it again, and again. Getting new cattle doesn't fix how you got it in the first place. Much too expensive and wasteful too.

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From Holstein World

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11/21/08:
   Surprisingly, an eight-year-old cow from RuAnn Dairy that had tested clean in 2002 and 2003 tested positive for bovine TB in late April. Maddox had tested his herds regularly and had previously maintained a Certified TB-free herd.






I have a question, how often do you test? We test entire herd twice a year...and we do not buy live animals...

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From Holstein World

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11/21/08:
   Surprisingly, an eight-year-old cow from RuAnn Dairy that had tested clean in 2002 and 2003 tested positive for bovine TB in late April. Maddox had tested his herds regularly and had previously maintained a Certified TB-free herd.






I have a question, how often do you test? We test entire herd twice a year...and we do not buy live animals...



All depends on the deemed risk in the county we are in Posal. In "high risk" counties, all clear herds are tested annually and all animals over 6 weeks have to have a clear pre-movement test. If the herd has a reactor then the holding is put on restriction until 2 clear tests, the earliest the next test can be carried out is 60d.

If the herd is in a county deemed to be low risk, then the herd has to be tested at 4 yearly intervals and no pre-movement tests are necessary. It is possible for some animals to never get tested by moving holding at the 3rd year, through dispersal sales, etc.

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ErylVet, I understand that several herds with large numbers of reactors in Wiltshire (& presumably elsewhere too) were culled out completely a few years ago. They were then allowed to restock almost immediately with animals from anywhere they liked. I did hear tell of one guy that was "de-populated" at least twice, on full valuations.

If large numbers are going down at each test then it would seem worthwhile removing the herd vectors. But to do so without doing anything about the B&W stripey vector in the fields & woods around, is just plain crazy.

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I did have to smile at this line
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Surprisingly, an eight-year-old cow from RuAnn Dairy that had tested clean in 2002 and 2003 tested positive for bovine TB in late April.

In herds with endemic TB it is normal to find reactors that were clear at the test 60 days ago, so I don't quite see the surprise of finding it in a cow that was negative five years ago!

How many cows are there at RuAnn/Maddox - I believe that a full herd depopulation will be first considered here when 25% of the herd have been identified as reactors. That said if there is a major breakdown in a herd in a clean country I would be pushing for an immediate cull, not risking infection spreading further or infecting any wildlife. It is an entirely different situation in the UK where the disease is endemic in parts of the country with a large wildlife reservoir. In the UK depopulation would only be appropriate where it was to ensure that no anergic reactors (those not identified by the test)were left behind, in concert with control of the wildlife reservoir.

If only control of the wildlife reservoir had not been stopped when TB had been reduced back to a couple of tiny pockets in the UK in the early 80's. We could have had a TB free counrty for the last 20 years.

If the wildlife reservoir is ever controlled, badgers will be the worst losers from the current inaction. Instead of having a few more setts culled in the early 80's, vast swathes of the country will have to be depopulated of badgers to have any effect.

A chronic, painful debilitating disease has been allowed to spread uncontrolled through the badger poulation in the UK. This is a huge animal welfare problem, even without the cows. Can those who opposed culling back in the early 80's really be proud of the suffering they have caused?
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A chronic, painful debilitating disease has been allowed to spread uncontrolled through the badger poulation in the UK. This is a huge animal welfare problem, even without the cows. Can those who opposed culling back in the early 80's really be proud of the suffering they have caused?


I suspect that they would reject the assumptions behind that last remark. The word "denial" springs to my mind.



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