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Re: Cloning
I also support cloning and feel there is no harm in it. I think it also gives us the opportunity to see how previous show winners would compete against the cows of today.
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20/12/2004, 2:48
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Bullpen
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Re: Cloning
These clones will have the identical genetic componants but not neccessarilly in the same order or with the same environmental upbringing. The chances of any clone looking identical to its source are very slim and would not be a way of comparing todays and yesterdays show queens. Remember these Show cows are genetic freaks which represent that one moment in evolution when everything comes together in perfect form - but then it goes as quickly as it came, never to return.
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20/12/2004, 11:19
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FiringOnAllFour
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Re: Cloning
In theory, that one moment is recaptured in a clone.
I don't know if it is possible to recreate a show winner by cloning, with so much depending on environment. And I'm not bothered.
Where cloning may be useful is the passing on of genetic material e.g. as they have done with Starbuck. Perhaps SEMEX could do with a clone of Allen right now to continue sales?
The same could be said of restoring a top brood cow for breeding purposes. Here, it doesn't matter if she milks or looks as good as the original, as she will breed in exactly the same way regardless.
But is it the right approach?
Starbuck is out of date. And there is probably enough of him in pedigrees as it is. To me, it would be a good way of increasing the inbreeding problem. Also, evolution depends on a new generation coming forward, not a time warp.
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20/12/2004, 11:55
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Bullpen
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Re: Cloning
Good points FOAF. I think you are spot on with the real potential benefits of cloning.
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20/12/2004, 13:04
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jonnykelso
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Re: Cloning
Call me old fashioned but Im pretty much against it. I can see the benefits eg cloning bulls etc. but I think the cons out weigh the benefits. At present the only people realy benefiting from it is those couple of breeders who are selling them. BUT in my opinion what would most of the housewives out there say if they found out their milk was coming from a clone? Would it not bring up a picture of almost a robot instead of nice green fields with cows grazing happily-the sort of image that helps to sell produce?Just a thought.
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20/12/2004, 18:53
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Re: Cloning
Milk would still be the same product Jonny and I believe that you can't sell milk from a clone or of any animal with a clone in the pedigree (unless it changed).
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21/12/2004, 2:53
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Re: Cloning
Indies - I believe it is still illegal to sel milk from a clone. However, the point is the image the consumer has in his/her mind. As we all know, consumers are not neccesarily the most informed group and a small news story about clones could lead to a big panic among our customers. I think we all believe there will be no difference in the milk, however, there are so few clones around to be able to prove their milk safe.
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27/12/2004, 15:53
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FattyWelshBoy
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Re: Cloning
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peternl wrote:
I was just looking on the cyagra website: http://www.cyagra.com . They seem to have cloned many showwinning cows. Cloning is not permitted in Europe. There are many ethical reasons for forbidding cloning dairy cows. What are your opinions about this subject?
Wasnt Mtoto clone in Italy?
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28/12/2004, 12:39
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