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Quota
I know its a toucky subject for some of us, but i was wondering what people would choose if given the choice. Quota or no quota and why.
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7/2/2007, 4:45
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Big Bird
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Re: Quota
No quota. Let the efficient produce the milk and cut down on some of the parasites.
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7/2/2007, 11:41
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Re: Quota
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No quota. Let the efficient produce the milk and cut down on some of the parasites.
I AGREE.
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7/2/2007, 11:44
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Re: Quota
Guess you won`t be crying about the price you recieve from the processer then. If the world price suits you, and you can produce it for that more power to you, but I kinda like getting 70% of the consummer doller myself. I wish everybody could.
Does the majority of UK dairymen like it better now that there is no quota, or are things more difficult?
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7/2/2007, 18:26
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Re: Quota
We still have quotas in Europe and will have them till at least 2012. Current market price £0.013 a litre
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7/2/2007, 20:21
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Big Bird
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Re: Quota
If the European quota system had given us in the UK 70% of the consumer price my answer would certainly have been different, but the reality has been a long way from that.
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7/2/2007, 21:32
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Re: Quota
Don't think quota's solve anything. As others have said they prop up uneconomic operation's. That said i didn't appreciate paying $2.80 for a 600 ml. carton of flavoured milk the other day, when our current price is less than 30 cents per litre. There is no easy answer.
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8/2/2007, 9:31
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Re: Quota
In my area Quota price = Milk Price, How is that everywhere else?
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8/2/2007, 9:40
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Re: Quota
Quota is as cheap as it has ever been here. We are expanding here and bought some a couple of days ago, as an insurance really.
1.1p/litre used @ 3.98% fat.
Our milk price in the UK varies a lot but 18.5 pence for conventional milk would be about average ???
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8/2/2007, 11:11
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Re: Quota
The quota price in our region dropped a bit at the last sale date and is now about 0,45 Euro per kg milk (4% fat).
December milk price dropped to 0,25 Euro.
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8/2/2007, 12:13
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Re: Quota
Bought 4.88 for 1.5ppl like Tommy it's cheap insurance for our future. If Mr Poter gets his way we could be able to move it within Europe.Things could change overnight.
DD
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8/2/2007, 12:58
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Re: Quota
Tommy K
18.5 ?? -you obviously dont supply a co-op then.
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8/2/2007, 13:11
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Re: Quota
No we can't afford to anymore!!!
We were with Milk Marque and then Milklink up until about 18 months ago. Now DC.
I thought 18.5 would be a good stab at a UK average for now??? Considering both ends of the scale, don't know, perhaps its too high??
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8/2/2007, 14:25
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svennis
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Re: Quota
quote:
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If Mr Poter gets his way we could be able to move it within Europe.Things could change overnight.
I don`t think that this will ever happen, because that would lead to high bureaucracy costs. In each European country quota trade is regulated different thus it would be too expensive to introduce quota trading within Europe for this short period until 2015!
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8/2/2007, 14:37
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Re: Quota
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TommyK wrote:
No we can't afford to anymore!!!
We were with Milk Marque and then Milklink up until about 18 months ago. Now DC.
I thought 18.5 would be a good stab at a UK average for now??? Considering both ends of the scale, don't know, perhaps its too high??
Not far out I wouldn't think. Somewhere just over 18 I believe.
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8/2/2007, 15:16
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Re: Quota
Sold some quota the other year and ours now covers about 80% of our production. The intention was to replace it after SFP was introduced at a lower cost but I'm in no great hurry to do that, even at 1.2ppl. I don't see cross border trading ever coming in, nor do I see the UK ever hitting quota again before it's abolished.
Even if the milk price jumps up by 5ppl, I think production wouldn't leap up by enough. Profitability is only one reason for the UK's mass exodus from dairying..... long hours covered in cow sh*t, labour shortages, TB & the government's lack of willing to tackle the source, just to name a few.
I certainly don't think quotas have helped our milk prices, when we did get a better price, a big chunk was taken up to fund quota purchase or lease. When the milk price was 26 ppl leasing was 17 ppl, marginal litres are so much more profitable now, even at todays prices.
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8/2/2007, 20:04
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Re: Quota
We did the same as you sold the last 200,000 litres at 32p.
I agree with all your resons why production shouldn't jump, but I'm convinced if the price did jump which I doubt it will I think the tap would be turned on and production would rise.I do just wonder if perhaps there will be the animals to produce it.
I just feel at 1.2/1.5ppl it is very cheap insurance for the future. I'd hate to be saying I wish.
DD
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8/2/2007, 21:10
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Re: Quota
I agree that prices like that represent cheap insurance, just not got myself motivated to do anything about it yet.
Sorry, I really don't see that production will leap up, other the steady increase from genetics. I think there has been an attitude shift in UK farmers, everyone has had a guts full. For years there has been a push for expansion, very often for expansion's sake, I know of one farm that increased from 150 cows to 200 and found that they were sending the same amount of milk off the farm for a lot more work.
We milked 330 cows here in the late 70's and today we milk 300 very different animals producing double the amount of milk, I would personally err towards a slight reduction in the future, concentating on doing less cows better and taking a little bit of the pressure off, regardless of milk price.
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9/2/2007, 12:29
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Re: Quota
In Northern Ireland, that 18 odd pence you quoted is roughly our peak price this winter, so this spring should be three or four pence below that. Yikes.
I reckon I will be losing money shortly if the price goes down there. So when your losing money at those prices, who wants more cows?
If UK quota could be sold to europe for good money, would any of us actually stay and milk cows here for peanuts?
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9/2/2007, 15:21
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Quota
firing on all Four I agree with you, but there are too many producers who kid themselves they are making profits and also take too much notice of consultants who see herd expansion as the only solution
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9/2/2007, 19:56
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Re: Quota
If cross border trading is allowed, the increased supply of quota into markets like Italy with a high quota price, will soon see a reduction in the price.
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9/2/2007, 21:37
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Re: Quota
Milk Price € 0,35/0,44 (Milk/Cheese)
Quota Price € 0,45
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10/2/2007, 13:12
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Quota
going back to the start of this topic. what do you mean by "parasites", who are they?
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11/2/2007, 13:12
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Re: Quota
I find it more than a little strange, that those who would love nothing more than see our system crumble, are complaning about milk price on another thread.
Like I said before our processers, and their CEO`s are still making huge profits, but at least we are paid well for our product.
Regardless of what happens here down the road, it will have ZERO effect on anyone elses milk price.
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8/3/2007, 20:01
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Re: Quota
I agree no quota! We don't produce enough to meet the demand in the USA now, so maybe we can get a good price for our milk in the future! DFA imports an unGodly amount of milk every year. don't believe it, ask them?? We can't possibly meet the demand of milk products here in the USA. We need better cattle!!
Johnny
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28/4/2007, 7:36
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Johnny if you can't produce enough milk for the US why are you dumping so much chocolate milk and MPC into Canada?
Thinking there are still a few good heifers available on the north side of the closed border.
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29/4/2007, 0:22
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Jonny I am not sure about the rest of the US but in California the most recent projections I have seen don't paint a pretty picture for the producer. If milks production grows as it has been (4% annually) and demand grows as it has been (2% annually) that leaves us with a 2% surplus of milk. With dairys getting larger and more efficient and with technology improving ie. heifer semen, that surpluss could get even bigger. Dale I know its been killing you Canadians, but for those of us who have surpluss heifers to sale here in the US the border being closed has been really nice for our wallets.
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30/4/2007, 18:05
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Quota
I would like to see a quota system in the US, as a measure of supply control. It kills me to see farm families that go back generations being forced out of business, because they can't compete, with mega dairies, at $11 milk. Processors in the US make the big bucks. As for dumping product on Canada, they wouldn't do it if the US Dept of Ag, had some balls, and cracked down on MPC that gets imported into the US. If the democrats take the White House in 2008 the EPA and the Dept of Ag, are going to see a big change, and they will be less friendly to mega dairies. The economies of scale are killing dairy farmers who milk less then 300 cows.
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30/4/2007, 21:14
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