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end of european milking quotes in 2015
the end of the european milking quotes in 2015.
is this bether or worst????? 
what will be the results on the milking price??
we are walking to a dead end in the milking production and if the results are bad how we can go back
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20/11/2008, 22:17
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Eryl Vet
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Re: end of european milking quotes in 2015
I say remove all regulation and expose the market to the economics of free trade. Just like the shining example of the banking sector 
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21/11/2008, 2:14
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Re: end of european milking quotes in 2015
I've got nothign to say...
2015 No quotas, from now to then 1% increase every year???
What the monkey of kind of solution is that, Do they know anything about, agricolture, milk and economy? Absolutely not!!!
They are just politicians...
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21/11/2008, 8:33
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Re: end of european milking quotes in 2015
1) Do not increase them...
2) Remove them in 2015, paying something ( I bought many quotas during years, so why people not gets it free)
3) Obviously from now on, Dairy become Business so let th professional do it, not the weekend breeders.
Policy were wrong helping only small farmers...
What's your solution?
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21/11/2008, 8:54
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Eryl Vet
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Re: end of european milking quotes in 2015
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2) Remove them in 2015, paying something ( I bought many quotas during years, so why people not gets it free)
What's your solution?
The EU are welcome to end quotas now so long as they compensate me to the average European value of quota ... and like with the introduction of SFP leak enough of the plan before they introduce it, so that I can make sure I buy those 10 million litres of quota I need from Mr Potter....
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21/11/2008, 10:33
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Re: end of european milking quotes in 2015
I didn't think the Italian's ever worried about quota Posal!!!
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21/11/2008, 10:49
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Eryl Vet
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Re: end of european milking quotes in 2015
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Posal wrote:
1) Do not increase them...
2) Remove them in 2015, paying something ( I bought many quotas during years, so why people not gets it free)
3) Obviously from now on, Dairy become Business so let th professional do it, not the weekend breeders.
Policy were wrong helping only small farmers...
What's your solution?
I don't understand what you're complaining about Posal. The policy of increasing quotas, then abolishing them, enables large dairy farms with the facilities and finances to expand further and produce oceans of cheap milk. Rather than being helped, the small family farm will not have the economy of scale to compete, nor the finance required to expand, and will exit dairying or go out of business.
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21/11/2008, 11:04
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POSAL
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Re: end of european milking quotes in 2015
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Eryl Vet wrote:
quote:
Posal wrote:
1) Do not increase them...
2) Remove them in 2015, paying something ( I bought many quotas during years, so why people not gets it free)
3) Obviously from now on, Dairy become Business so let th professional do it, not the weekend breeders.
Policy were wrong helping only small farmers...
What's your solution?
I don't understand what you're complaining about Posal. The policy of increasing quotas, then abolishing them, enables large dairy farms with the facilities and finances to expand further and produce oceans of cheap milk. Rather than being helped, the small family farm will not have the economy of scale to compete, nor the finance required to expand, and will exit dairying or go out of business.
It's a no-sense, and everybody with just a bit of economic knowledge would agree, to increase the quotas just before free market...
I am managing today a large farm, but we were milking only 40 cows 35 yrs ago, we did it at our expenses, we increased facilities and we bought quotas, paying for it...more quotas to italy, ok, but to the ones that increased their quotas.
Intial quota for italy coverred less the 60% of internal use of milk, so that was unfair. I do not agree with the ones that overproduced, since we had to pay a lot to buy more quotas, but definetly not anyone was capable of expanding.
Increase Quotas - Milk price go down
Cancel Quotas - Milk price go down
so "-" times "-" in math turns into a "+" but in our bank accounts turns into a "-".
Got it now???
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21/11/2008, 11:10
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BrendanG
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Re: end of european milking quotes in 2015
Why is Italy getting its 5% increase in quota immediately, while everyone else is getting a 1% increase per year?
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/08/1749&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en
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21/11/2008, 14:35
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Re: end of european milking quotes in 2015
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Why is Italy getting its 5% increase in quota immediately, while everyone else is getting a 1% increase per year?
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/08/1749&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en
So we can sell our milk for Dump price before than anyone else...
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21/11/2008, 16:45
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Re: end of european milking quotes in 2015
At the other end of the scale, it has been reported in the press that Europe needs to lose about 10% of its production. So what an increase in production will do is a scarey thought.
What do you think would happen to milk production if the EU and the US withdrew their subsidies to farmers?
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21/11/2008, 19:26
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Large scale dairy units dont need subsidies anyway if they are in anyway efficent
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22/11/2008, 9:12
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Large scale dairy units dont need subsidies anyway if they are in anyway efficent
But to be fair if larges don't get it...neither small should...
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22/11/2008, 10:21
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Large scale dairy units dont need subsidies anyway if they are in anyway efficent
If units in western europe are producing milk from the highest cost base in the world, and with the greatest restrictions on how they do it, then I don't think it would be a surprise for production to move away from europe on a large scale to cheaper countries, if subsidies were removed.
I'm not convinced that large scale units necessarily have a significantly lower cost of production than a well run 100-200 cow family farm. The main difference is that two people owning 1000 cows need less margin to keep them alive than two people owning 100 cows.
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22/11/2008, 11:16
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FiringOnAllFour wrote:
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Rags2Riches4cows wrote:
Large scale dairy units dont need subsidies anyway if they are in anyway efficent
If units in western europe are producing milk from the highest cost base in the world, and with the greatest restrictions on how they do it, then I don't think it would be a surprise for production to move away from europe on a large scale to cheaper countries, if subsidies were removed.
I'm not convinced that large scale units necessarily have a significantly lower cost of production than a well run 100-200 cow family farm. The main difference is that two people owning 1000 cows need less margin to keep them alive than two people owning 100 cows.
I agree, actually in Large Dairy Farms EBITDA% on Income results to be lower than in small farms.
Working Labour affect Large Farm incomes on a 30/35%. The difference with small farms is all here, they hire less employees so they earn what they don't pay as salary.
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22/11/2008, 11:50
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rebelo
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the problem is not the size of herd because this will reduce milk price for all of us and then what is better is to produce restricted quantity of milk or poroduced milk with any restrictions without any quind of price secure today is 0.30 and tomorrow exemple 0.15 or 0.2o
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10/12/2008, 0:16
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i can not understand why they will give all the power to the milk co-op , if they want to get cheep milk lift price a little you get all the milk in the world .to get a higher price for the cheese-ect ect lower the price farmers cut back , it will be a very unstable thim for all plus , they will play with the price even more than they do now by cutting the price at the time when farmers must keep milking , cows dont have a tap
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19/12/2008, 10:49
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