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errolston
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Milk price
Wiseman's claim that only 5.5 billion litres worth of milk products are sold through the supermarkets out of the 14 billion litres produced in this country.
I reckon far too much milk goes into low value produce and until that changes the milk price won't head north.
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11/3/2007, 14:10
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Campbeltowncowboy
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Re: Milk price
 There will need to be an increase in the price of cheese as well as liquid milk to be able to give all producers a needed increase.
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11/3/2007, 14:15
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Re: Milk price
I read somewhere lately about cheese prices.Either another thread on here or the farming papers.I read that it takes 10,000 litres to make a ton of cheese and that the price per kilo roughly equalled its worth per litre which was quoted at 65p.Dunno how they arrived at that figure.MDC don`t seem to give any cheese related prices on their website.
If that figure is correct(65p),i can`t see any argument for lower prices just because its being made into cheese,that`s higher than the retail price of the liquid.
Can anyone clarify?
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11/3/2007, 19:40
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Campbeltowncowboy
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Re: Milk price
The top cheese produced here The Mull of Kintyre mature chedder retails at between £8500-£9000 per ton which equates to a milk price of 85-90p per litre but this is our top branded cheese and there are other cheeses at nearer £2800-£3000, so there is enough margin to pass more back to the producer but the retailers will not give it out of their margin so if everybody is to get an increase probably the cheese price will have to move.
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11/3/2007, 20:35
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scoobyscotlad
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Re: Milk price
So £6500/ton(65p/litre) would not be far away from an average overall?
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11/3/2007, 20:55
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Campbeltowncowboy
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Re: Milk price
I think it will be nearer £2800-£3000 as Lactalis/Mclellands are marketing the cheese and since Mclellands sold out to Lactalis they have been making apoor job of marketing and First Milk have decided to take on the marketing themselves along with the cheese their making at Aspatria,
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11/3/2007, 21:15
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scoobyscotlad
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Re: Milk price
Still no official price rise confirmed!
We had the feed rep in last week and summer feed prices are going to rise approx £25 ton!
If that wasn`t enough that "joker" of a chancellor puts 2p litre on red diesel(post dated till the autumn).
Any price increase will be swallowed up already..
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26/3/2007, 17:46
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Despite talk in the press of an announcement by Wiseman and First Milk "at the beginning of the week" , here we are on Wednesday with a deathly hush.
Mebbe they are just scared by the rise in AMPE and the world powder price?
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28/3/2007, 19:53
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Milk price
I have to say that some of these places they export live bulls to the bulls might as well be dead because their semen will never be avalible on the open international market again once it is sold out.
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29/3/2007, 14:48
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Re: Milk price
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I have to say that some of these places they export live bulls to the bulls might as well be dead because their semen will never be avalible on the open international market again once it is sold out.
Wrong topic???!
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30/3/2007, 6:32
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Milk price
yes I had 2 windows open and wosh ..... the damage was done..... went bac to delete/edit it but I see it is still here,maybe I can cut and paste?
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30/3/2007, 21:15
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Milk price
JB your man in the pub got it wrong apparently they are still negotaiting but might get it for March milk though. So whats happeneing to the money that tesco et al have been charging extra already?
Also they starting another level supply profile thing next year which will stuff me and they are going to fine us if we are wrong on our volume predictions. We used to have to jump through hoops now they put fire round the hoops.
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31/3/2007, 8:35
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scoobyscotlad
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Re: Milk price
0.5p was what i have heard maybe what`s coming.Farm services man(known him for 15/20 years) "not at liberty" to confirm/deny.We told him "If that was it,nowhere near enough.Where is the other 1.25p?"
"Middle ground retailers,the problem"
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31/3/2007, 9:13
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scoobyscotlad
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Re: Milk price
BBC Scotland News tonight report that Tesco is to set up its own dedicated milk supply group,800 producers from within Wiseman`s needed(just for Scotland`s requirements??)
Is this good news?Will they require "higher welfare standards"?
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3/4/2007, 17:57
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Re: Milk price
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BBC Scotland News tonight report that Tesco is to set up its own dedicated milk supply group,800 producers from within Wiseman`s needed(just for Scotland`s requirements??)
Is this good news?Will they require "higher welfare standards"?
No doubt there will be a whole new crop of hoops to jump through.
The realy significant thing with this is that we have a supermarket saying, - well we actually think that 22p is a reasonable price for ex farm milk. Up to now the message has been - be more efficient - pull your beltin another notch or get out
Supersub
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3/4/2007, 20:10
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scoobyscotlad
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Re: Milk price
Read it here:
http://www.tescofarming.com/newsletter.asp?newsid=10
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3/4/2007, 21:14
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scoobyscotlad
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Re: Milk price
Wiseman March price increase 0.43p,April another 0.2p giving a grand total of 0.63p.
What exactly was the supermarket price increase??1.3p? 1.75p?Was it not all for the farmer? 
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11/4/2007, 11:21
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Re: Milk price
I'd be interested to know what higher welfare standards they want.
I happen to think that most of the people in the world don't live as comfortably as our cows. Any attempt to turn up the pace of the blasted treadmill we are on should be resisted.
22p is more like it though. At least its a decent offer. Suddenly, the low cost supermarket has found its heart.
mmm.
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15/4/2007, 17:51
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Re: Milk price
Dont anybody be fooled this is not about Tesco giving producers the price they need, this is about taking control away from Wiseman so that tesco get us where they want us!!! They say it is a dedicated supply,if we were not all dedicated we would not be milking cows, I dont know about anybody else but I think this is deviseive it will turn producer against producer and split the industry as much as de-regulation would anybody be happy if a neighbour got it but you didnt. I am not a Wiseman producer but I hope the kick ths idea into touch weall need 22p as a starting price not just to be part of an elite Tesco club.
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15/4/2007, 20:26
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Re: Milk price
Personally I'd play ball with any supermarket prepared to pay a premium. Do you think the M&S and Waitrose producers regret being dedicated suppliers? You might as well get your arse kicked for a premium as for peanuts, which is what's been happening.
It's also goiong to be much easier to get back out if it doesn't work than it will be to get in if it does.
As for being devisive, deregulation proved that UK farmers won't stick together. If you don't take this in order to stand firm with your neighbour, its likely your neighbour will take it without too much thought for you.
What will be interesting to see is what the price does for those outside the dedicated groups. Overall it's very likely to be the have's and the have not's, but if the price for the have not's stays very low, maybe even falling with the premium milk out of the processor pools, how many will stay?
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17/4/2007, 19:27
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Re: Milk price
Agree 100%
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18/4/2007, 3:03
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Milk price
We have ended up a dedicated Sainsbury farm the premiuym i think the letter seemed to go around the houses is 0.6 ppl at the moment but what i dont like is that we now cant get involved in supplying another supply group within Wisemans . So we are divided further still in being divided within a milk buyer our neighbour has been selected to be a "local farm " ? is it within DFoB but hwat about the other dfob farmer who produces a bit too much milk divided again .
We have got to take the premiums available but i wouldnt like to be geographically is olated and potentially taking a hit on price to balance up the books of the milk buyer.
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18/4/2007, 8:18
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Re: Milk price
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We have got to take the premiums available but i wouldnt like to be geographically is olated and potentially taking a hit on price to balance up the books of the milk buyer.
We've wound up isolated.
The lack of options in our area have meant we've stayed with Milklink because on a small unit they've payed as much as DC would have previously, and that's the limit of our options.
Big debates here at the moment as to whether we milk cows next winter.
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18/4/2007, 11:38
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Re: Milk price
Were also isolated,but have no choice who we sell our milk to its first milk or quit and the milk cheque is just in for March 16.253p for 108541 litres @4.01bf 3.17pr 24 bactoscan 161 cell count then 0.5 off to pay for Wisemans and DC. So unless Tesco pay 22ppl for milk for cheese contracts we are going to have a hard strugle to survive.!!!
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18/4/2007, 18:50
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