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ExpectingRain
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Anyone on here using Ketocol as an alternative to propylene glycol? Is the product as palatable as the manufacturers claim? How effective is the product? What dose/dosing regime are you following?

Thanks in anticipation.

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17/4/2008, 18:59   
 
ExpectingRain
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Looks like I'll have to buy 25 litres and find out for myself.

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70 Homebred cows Annual Average 9100 4.2. 3.3
31VG 24GP 9G 2F 1P 5NC
No genomics but plenty of inbreeding
22/4/2008, 21:36   
 
foxleigh
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we use something that is pink and called ketol.
think you start with 500ml and then reduce to 125ml over a few days.actually giving a cow dextrose under the skin can work just as well in giving an energy lift
23/4/2008, 21:11   
 
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As far as I can work out, Ketol is an expensive pink form of propylene glycol. Ketocol is almost chemically identical to PG but is supposed to taste sweet and lack its bitter taste so it can be added to feed or drinking water.

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70 Homebred cows Annual Average 9100 4.2. 3.3
31VG 24GP 9G 2F 1P 5NC
No genomics but plenty of inbreeding
23/4/2008, 21:36   
 
Charryman
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We've been using Ketocol for a few months, everything gets a drink of warm water with Ketocol in after calving. I'm not sure that it does any good as we seem to be having more sick cows at calving & retained placentas than we ever have. emoticon Dad's convinced though so he carries on. He's also convinced that a drench of Ketocol can help lameness, personally I can't see it, but then I guess I don't "believe" enough.

Try it, it is sweet and they do drink it with water (& probably on feed), but the jury is still out on effectiveness as far as I'm concerned. Let us know how you get on.

Last edited by Charryman, 24/4/2008, 9:00


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used to get all excited and give a cow after calving big bucket of warm water with a kg of dissolved brown sugar to drink.......
supposed to give the cow energy and prevent DAs by filling gut.
24/4/2008, 12:40   
 
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Not sure that Ketocol would address problem of retained placenta, would be tempted to look elswhere for a solution. We test all cows and heifers for blood ketone levels 7-10 days calved are seeing too many animals with sub-clinical ketosis. I am trying to find a way to tweak our existing dry cow management because apart from the ketosis and the occasional case of milk fever it works reasonably well. I would love to try the Keenan system out of curiosity but have no means of chopping the straw and don't like to complicate our system even more. I am going to sit down with my vet and nutrionist next week to see if anybody can come up with any further ideas.

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31VG 24GP 9G 2F 1P 5NC
No genomics but plenty of inbreeding
25/4/2008, 3:45   
 
foxleigh
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I think some people here add sugar to their drycow mix, others use ionic salts in molasses plus addlib straw
25/4/2008, 7:02   
 
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We routinely give all the cows abit of a concoction immediately following calving.

They all get as much luke warm water as they can drink, with 1lb of sugar and a tsp yeast, although no data, or research to prove it works, we have found the cows are coming in, getting to their milk quickly without problems, and eating food like it was going out of fashion.
The yeast and the sugar will continue, as we've seen no reason to stop, if it works why change?

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25/4/2008, 9:14   
 
ExpectingRain
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No reason at all! We already offer warm water post calving, some cows will accept it with PG added, some refuse it, hence the interest in Ketocol. We already include yeast in the transition diet. In theory, Ketocol/PG should give a far more sustained lift in blood sugar levels than sugar alone. Leeders have some very impressive trial work for Ketocol but that obviously does not always mean anything in the real world. In the past we tried a full DCAB diet using a product from Frank Wright, but the cows found it so unpalatable that they managed to sort it out in the trough, however well we mixed it. We currently feed 100g Mag Chloride in transition period, but as I said before, there is still room for improvement. I suspect that if we did an analysiss we would find very high levels of potassium in the grass silage part of the ration, and I think that is the root of the problem (hence the interest in straw based Keenan system).

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Crosshutton Holsteins

70 Homebred cows Annual Average 9100 4.2. 3.3
31VG 24GP 9G 2F 1P 5NC
No genomics but plenty of inbreeding
26/4/2008, 4:09   
 


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