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Eryl Vet
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Re: US Election 2008
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Obama wouldn't be able to snap his fingers and save the economy. However, he doesn't have to make it worse by raising taxes. .
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but isn't Obama only planning to raise taxes on incomes over $250,000?? If that is affecting US dairy farmers I'd better sell up right away and move to Wisconsin !!
  
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6/11/2008, 18:26
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Jeash
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He originally stated 250,000 and then as the campaign went on the number went lower and lower. They are also going to raise capital gains taxes which will hurt us when we transfer ownership of the farm. You're right that it probably wont directly affect dairy farmers. However, it could indirectly affect us if the economy worsens. At this moment the stock market has lost ten percent of its value since Obama has taken office. Thats not a coincidence.
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6/11/2008, 18:53
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Eryl Vet
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Re: US Election 2008
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He originally stated 250,000 ... You're right that it probably wont directly affect dairy farmers. .
  ... oh dear what a shame, I'd nearly booked my ticket !! 
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6/11/2008, 19:04
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Re: US Election 2008
Obama Win Causes Obsessive Supporters To Realize How Empty Their Lives Are
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6/11/2008, 20:00
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US Election 2008
Just for one moment. . . .I thought that was for real!!!!. . .after all "only in America"
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6/11/2008, 21:01
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I think Mcain gave a very gracious speech when he acknowledged obama as the winner......
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6/11/2008, 21:10
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Yes. I think he's a gentleman and it was genuine.
Mind you, Bush made a complementary speech too, but I can see it being either of the above...
(the photo of him standing in the oval office on the phone congratulating obama with a smug expression just sums him up).
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6/11/2008, 22:51
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Re: US Election 2008
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ExpectingRain, what is your definition of socialism? It has come to light that their is a move afoot to confiscate private retirement accounts (401k) and put them in a government kitty. Race should not matter, it doesn't matter when I watch TV, go to a baseball or football game, go to the mall, or go to the election booth. Compassionate, intelligent and articulate?
Focus on the details in the message, not the packaging.
The accepted definition of socialism is the state (or collective) ownership and control of capital, the means of production (industry and possibly agriculture), and the distribution of goods. In the UK Attlee's Labour government in 1945 was clearly socialist, taking into state control much of British industry. Whatever exact definition we insist on it must not make the mistake of equating socialism with a commitment to egalitarianism or a general unease about the consequences of an unregulated free market, to do so leaves us with a concept that stretches so far across the political spectrum that it becomes meaningless. It is clear that Obama's commitment to egalitarianism and a limited redistribution of wealth through changes to the US tax system do not make him a Socialist, in Europe he would probably be best described as a Social Democrat.
Race should not matter? Of course race should not matter, but it mattered a very great deal in certain US states until the late 1960s, and that is within the living memory of millions of people who voted on Tuesday.
I can assure you that I am focussed on the details and not the packaging.
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7/11/2008, 0:36
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Jeash
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Carter gave the CIA a whole five million dollars to do it. Thats like trying to put out a forrest fire by peeing on it. Afghanistan was a Wilson/Reagan operation/victory.
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7/11/2008, 2:47
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Eryl Vet
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Whatever one's politics and whatever one's opinion of the winner and loser, the 2008 US election has to be held up as an incredible example of democracy in action. The bloodless sweeping out of the old administration and sweeping to power of a new generation, is an example to the rest of the world and terrifying to the world's dictators and those who hide behind sham democracies.
Whether Obama will live up to everyone's expectations or not, the real winner has been US democracy, so badly tarnished after the 'hanging chads' of 2000.
 
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7/11/2008, 12:14
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Jeash
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No, your mistaken. Carter started it with five million. Reagan pushed it to 500 million. However, a Congressman from Texas by the name of Wilson deserves a lot of the credit too. He was the one who secretly pushed the funding through Congress.
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7/11/2008, 12:22
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Jeash
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Eryl, your right about the election. The reason that our democracy has survived is because we can vote for the President every four years and we have congressional and Senate elections every two years. It keeps the powers that be on their toes.
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7/11/2008, 12:25
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Eryl Vet
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An unpopular leader was replaced by a new face without bloodshed, intimidation or unrest. If the new leader is unpopular you will clip his powers by voting republican in the senate and congress in two years time, and then vote him out in four years time.
This is a triumph for democracy and I thought my earlier post was uncontroversial and entirely complimentary to US Democracy. People in Zimbabwe, Russia, China and many other countries die to try and get the power we have over our leaders.
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7/11/2008, 13:46
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I haven't seen "Charlie Wilson's War" either. One of my college friend's father worked for the CIA and spent time in Afghanistan. I was basing my opinion on Charlie Wilson on his thoughts.
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7/11/2008, 16:34
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8/11/2008, 0:02
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True, I don't think that shining example would have been upheld in our cities had the result been different. I think that the Obama supporters, particularly inner city blacks, would have rioted. It is well documented that the police departments across the country were making plans to deal with riots.
I dread to think what would have happened if the 2008 election had been as close as 2004. I hoped all along that whoever won did so with a substantial majority and that there was no dramatic change in voting patterns at the end of the campaign. I am sorry, but it is ridiculous to suggest that Obama's supporters in general would have rioted. In no way would I ever condone the actions of anyone who actually did resort to rioting as a response to the election but I would be willing to speculate as to why it did happen. The following paragraph is from the Irish Times on Saturday, I am assuming that the writer checked his facts before publication.
"How African-Americans live in the US cannot be merely explained by the sad legacy of history. There is a sense of hard prejudice and neglectful, or indeed deliberate, public policy in the great difference between how whites and African-Americans live. In 1999, for example, the average net worth of households headed by older African-Americans was $13,000 and by similar whites was $181,000. While 11 per cent of white children in the US live in poverty, almost 40 per cent of African-American children do. The chance of going to prison over a lifetime for a white person in the US is 2.5 per cent; for an African-American, it is 16 per cent. More than a quarter of all African-American males are likely to enter prison in their lifetime; the figure for white males is 5.5 per cent. The infant mortality rate for African-American babies is twice that for white babies."
This is the article in its entirity.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2008/1108/1225925561911.html
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8/11/2008, 5:50
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Eryl Vet
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Whatever one's politics and whatever one's opinion of the winner and loser, the 2008 US election has to be held up as an incredible example of democracy in action. The bloodless sweeping out of the old administration and sweeping to power of a new generation, is an example to the rest of the world and terrifying to the world's dictators and those who hide behind sham democracies.
Whether Obama will live up to everyone's expectations or not, the real winner has been US democracy, so badly tarnished after the 'hanging chads' of 2000.
When I posted the post above I was thinking it was something we could all agree on, I was not intending to open another can of worms! Perhaps its time to stick to talking about cows!!
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8/11/2008, 11:47
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It is well documented that police departments across the USA were preparing for potential riots in major US cities. Do a google search.
Without being painted as a racist, there are many aspects of urban black culture that are self perpetuating and self defeating. Drugs, Teen Pregnancy, Lack of traditional family structure, school dropout rate, and government supported welfare programs that reward bad behavior. The boogeyman is not out to get black americans. Stay in school, don't get pregnant as a teenager, don't do drugs, and don't get arrested. Those are the keys to not perpetuating the cycle. Barack Obama should be a shining example of what education, discipline and work ethic can lead to for black americans. No one likes to point the finger at themselves. The infant mortality thing goes to lack of prenatal care, which is free for poor people. They just choose not to go. One city, I think it was Philadelphia, even started a program where they paid people to go to prenatal care. They ended that program because of lack of participation.
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8/11/2008, 21:46
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Eryl Vet
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Barack Obama should be a shining example of what education, discipline and work ethic can lead to for black americans.
 ... although I would have said he is an example for ALL Americans, even those who are opposed to his politics.
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9/11/2008, 1:11
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Ive enjoyed reading the views on this post and think there are some very good points included. If nothing else good to see there is a keen interest in the election. Hopefully this will continue in the future. I think there are too many folks who voted uneducated as i believe Howie alluded to earlier. Now that the election has been decided i think its time everyone moves forward and work for the best. We cant change the outcome now. Personally i would like to hear an end to the 1st Black President and how great that is etc etc. To me we will truly end inequality when we look past black vs white. I think in todays society there is maybe more reverse racism than anything. I would certainly not deny racism is still a problem in society but personally im tired of hearing it as an excuse. Most of us have obstacles to overcome. Having a higher expected crime rate is no fault of mine, if you dont do the crime you wont end up in jail. Thats a choice! I will concede there are always exceptions but lets go on to being people, not blacks, whites, hispanics etc. All of the labeling just pushes any lack of equality further into our future.
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9/11/2008, 13:54
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