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Good match for an AffirmedXEncoreXLinjetXCounselor
Her pedigree..
Heifer sired by BKB Affirmed
Dam: MD-Maple-Lawn E Magnolia-ET EX91 EX-MS
Gdam: Fruendly-Acres Linjet Murphy Ex96 ExMS
3rd dam: FRUENDLY-ACRES CNSLOR MARIE Ex92 ExMs
She has a deep body, nice square wide rump, legs are decent, bit more posty wouldn't hurt. She tracks straight, very dairy, good sweep to her rib. Biggest thing to improve would be her legs. This mating would be IF the flush I do out of the Shottle here, in late August does not produce any eggs, and if she didn't settle with an embryo (going to use her as a recip).
Either way, thanks in advance.
Interesting to note, there was some red WAYYYY back beyond the 3rd dam..
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19/6/2008, 20:35
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Dundee would help with the rear udder height.
Shottle can help with Affirmed's production and he can make a fancy one if her heifer is dairy enough.
Durham could be good with so many of the strength bulls in the pedigree, is MD-Maple-Lawn E Magnolia-ET EX91 EX-MS an Encore?
Goldwyn or Stormatic would take of your feet and legs and would add style.
Why do you use a heifer with an EX96 gr. dam as a recipient???? That Shottle must be special!! What is she?
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19/6/2008, 20:59
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JeffNYRC
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Dundee would help with the rear udder height.
Shottle can help with Affirmed's production and he can make a fancy one if her heifer is dairy enough.
Durham could be good with so many of the strength bulls in the pedigree, is MD-Maple-Lawn E Magnolia-ET EX91 EX-MS an Encore?
Goldwyn or Stormatic would take of your feet and legs and would add style.
Why do you use a heifer with an EX96 gr. dam as a recipient???? That Shottle must be special!! What is she?
The dam is an Encore..
I like the Goldwyn and Shottle ideas. Goldwyn mated well with Alicia.
The shottle will be going through the Eastern Elite Sale in Harrisburg on Sept 17th, if she scored VG. Had someone up here looking at her for the sale (selections), and they figured VG86 86MS. She has a PTPI of 1898, dam to the shottle has sent numerous sons to AI, same with the gdam. I plan on flushing her to Goldwyn prior to the sale, and will sell her even if the flush fails. I got a really nice Talent calf from her, and I am going to test the calf to see if it is RC. I will be picturing the shottle Tuesday, the Affirmed and that Talent calf as well, along with a few others.
Either way, thats why I am using her as a recep. I can always fall back on the Affirmed and flush her to Goldwyn or Shottle..
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19/6/2008, 23:31
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Re: Good match for an AffirmedXEncoreXLinjetXCounselor
I would think Durham would be logical. The Miranda cow from that family was pretty nice. I guess I don't quite understand why you would put an embryo in a heifer that you think is good enough to flush.
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20/6/2008, 0:12
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this is odd coming from me, but you might want to think about a milkier, dairy cut bull. That's a sire stack to build a sawmill from even if the calf isn't round, it certainly is bred in there.
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20/6/2008, 15:26
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Good match for an AffirmedXEncoreXLinjetXCounselor
I like the durham / durham son idea as well. I have a durham out of a similar sire stack (not as deep a pedigree) that just calved a second time with a Encore heifer calf. If you can't get your hands on Durham, I have been pleased with early results from Rudy and Titan (milking) and Fortune calves in the pens.
If i may ask what are you planning on flushing the Advent from Electra too?
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20/6/2008, 17:48
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Well I was doing my afternoon chores and thinking about this topic for a little bit and it struck me. Using this heifer as a recipt is ridiculous. Unless this heifer looks like a puke with the kind of pedigree it has I think you would be much farther ahead buying a few breeding age grade heifers and using them as recipts.
If you got the cash to buy these type of animals and you have a desire to flush them don't short change yourself.
If i didn't have very many recipts but had purchased the kind of heifers you did this is what i would try to do. Spend $6000 for 5 more breeding age/size heifers. Use them as recipts to put any embryos in. Once they calve in sell them if they are grades or keep them if I needed the milk. I would breed the Affirmed back when she comes in heat (sexed Pro possibly)
I feel by doing this I am not sacrificing any deep pedigreed animals that might be the foundation of my herd. The $6000 investment in the grade heifers should pay back and if a calf did come out hard and you lost one of the recipts in calving you wouldn't be destroying one of your best animals.
That is just my little opinion what i think would be the best way to roll. Maybe there are some who disagree but i really think you are better off finding other recipts then one backed by a 96pt dam.
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20/6/2008, 20:40
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Good match for an AffirmedXEncoreXLinjetXCounselor
I terrible in picking out the few recips we used as i see every maiden heifer as the potntial to improve bred right and some of our own families graded up are proving their worth against PI families. Last time i needed recips i picked all the right age by the stock bull then got the vet to go through them and tell mewhich she thought would most likely hold on visual and after ultrasound scan.
I would say Shottle for your affirmed keep production in.
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20/6/2008, 23:20
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Re: Good match for an AffirmedXEncoreXLinjetXCounselor
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I like the durham / durham son idea as well. I have a durham out of a similar sire stack (not as deep a pedigree) that just calved a second time with a Encore heifer calf. If you can't get your hands on Durham, I have been pleased with early results from Rudy and Titan (milking) and Fortune calves in the pens.
If i may ask what are you planning on flushing the Advent from Electra too?
The advent is being flushed to Debonair-RED. I know I know, some extra Durham in there, but I talked with someone who might be selling these *potential* RED calves (gotta be optimistic), and he reccomended Debonair over Talent, due to the higher chance of getting red, (RED vs RC) and he is a Talent out of Debutante. The original choice was Jasper, however it only makes sence to try to capitalize off of the chance at getting a red Elegance.. Also the value is about the same. He seems to flush well, there are 3 1st choice Debonair lots going through the R&W convention sale (I beleive there are 3).
Either way, what I think ill do with the Affirmed is put her on a flush program, perhaps the same time as the Shottle, instead of using her as a recip. This heifer had a maternal sister by Durham go through the liddleholme sale for $32k. I do have 3 units of Shottle atm.
Jeff
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21/6/2008, 4:07
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Re: Good match for an AffirmedXEncoreXLinjetXCounselor
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Mistvale Mac or Pena Tojo but if not how much are you charging for the woodshavings ?
You can get more for wood shavings than you can for milk..
Either way.. Learned something new the other day. The photographer was telling us that Linjet Murphy sold for 100k (not sure when or where). Of course she is dead now. Should have a photo of her sometime in the coming weeks. She looked pretty good too on Tuesday.
Either way, Durham does work on that family. However, seeing how she does need some bone refining. One thing that I was told about Alicia, is that she is big boned. A bull like Goldwyn would cross with Alicia quite well, as Goldwyn would refine her some. Seeing that Affirmed is a Lee out of Alicia, and Alicia does transmit quite well (I have a 4yr old that has a similar fore udder to Alicia, and front end, she is a Blockbuster [Leduc out of Alicia]), Goldwyn would seem like a decent match. She has the rump, depth, dairyness. But Goldwyn can put decent legs on them.. Still have plenty of time to decide, but the goldwyn would be for a Flush..
Jeff
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26/6/2008, 3:31
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Re: Good match for an AffirmedXEncoreXLinjetXCounselor
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Can you still get Addison semen?  
Funny, that was the first bull that sprang to my mind when I saw the pedigree! 
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26/6/2008, 8:13
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Re: Good match for an AffirmedXEncoreXLinjetXCounselor
Durham also worked well on Alicia. Remember, there is a 94 point Durham out of Alicia. I love Goldwyn, and it would probably be a good cross as well, but it is hard to go wrong with Durham.
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26/6/2008, 12:31
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Re: Good match for an AffirmedXEncoreXLinjetXCounselor
I hear good things about Fortune and if she has a lot of strength you might look into using Zenith. I have heard that if bred to a strong cow Zenith will make them fancy. Plus, he has good components and they breed back easy.
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28/6/2008, 12:28
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ALH Dancer could be a good bull for you Jeff, as a late Durham son he will not have recieved much use. He is Spanish proven and out of Debbie JO he is a full brother to Drake. Excellent udder linear but needs protection for body traits, chest with etc... ideal for a cross on a strong family. Zenith could be good too but legs need to be protected as well as strength.
Duplex's and Damion's should be calving now so we will know if they are any good!
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Re: Good match for an AffirmedXEncoreXLinjetXCounselor
It's looking like Lylehaven Lightning could be pretty useful. He is currently 74% GP or better in Canada on 124 daughters. Have heard his semen is going for pretty good money in Western Canada.
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28/6/2008, 14:14
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Avoid anything that sires straight legs go for something with a lot of sickle and 1 hell of alot of milk.
Easy decision when you see her
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18/7/2008, 23:38
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Jeff, she has a bit of flesh, but she is a very nice heifer. At the Ontario Summer Showcase Sale, Lot 11 was an unregistered Dundee, out of Rama-Way Skyfame Magical, out of Magnolia, out of Murphy. It sold for seven thousand. I think Magical placed 2nd senior 3yr old at the show. Lot 11a was a Jan 08 Durham out of Murphy herself, it sold for fifteen and a half. Do what you like, but I wouldn't mess with the pedigree you have there by using a bull that would throw the sire stack out of balance. You've got the rib and the rumps in the pedigree, I wouldn't hesitate to use Goldwyn.
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20/7/2008, 5:32
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I'd use something that has/leaves a long dairy neck.......
If I were buying...... wouldnt hesitate and use durham
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20/7/2008, 6:05
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The shottle will be going through the Eastern Elite Sale in Harrisburg on Sept 17th, if she scored VG. Had someone up here looking at her for the sale (selections), and they figured VG86 86MS.
Jeff, Be VERY careful believing every sale manager and AI guy that scores your cows - remember they are wanting something from you. I have seen way too many dairymen who get hyped up on a cow because the same manager liked her and wanted her for his sale and then blame the classifier when he does his job. Some of theo "easy VG" 2 yr olds end up scoring correctly as GP 2 year olds.
I like your heifer - straight and stylish - wish the neck was as long as the tail!!LOL If you are going to spend the money to buy good pedigrees, and spend the money to fluch them, why not spend the money for he Durham semen - I love the cross of Durham on Encore and on that family.
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20/7/2008, 11:25
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Classcow,
Shottle ended up scoring GP83 with an 82mam. Regardless of sales people, she should have scored VG85 with a VG mam. One of her sisters is damn near identical, and is scored 87, actually they have the same udder, legs, and frame. Udder height in the rear is the same, foreudder, udder depth, rump appears to be the same, same texture. I will rescore this fall, see what she does, she will go VG sometime. But I got murdered with two of them, goldwyn scored 80, should have scored 82-83.. But the guy that came from what I have been told, has a bias against animals that aren't the showy typey, types, and these aren't showy typey animals, they are geared towards index.. But ah well, there will be another day.
A Durham out of Encore Magnolia that sold at a sale this spring, sold for 32k, she was older, I beleive closing in on 2. A sister to SkyFame Magical sold for 10k at the same sale. This affirmed I picked up for 7k at the NY Spring Sale, and IMO if at a different sale, perhaps earlier in the same sale, would have gone for more. She was late in the sale, 15th or so from the last lot, and people were thinning out. I did get lucky so far this year a couple times.
Locating Durham is the trick.. I do have 3 units of Goldwyn, and Goldwyn is a newer bull. Still have plenty of time, going to flush this heifer and the Aspen at the same time. Should have about 10 or so recips for that flush.
Jeff
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20/7/2008, 14:02
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who scored your cow?
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20/7/2008, 18:08
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