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Re: My Crossbred Cow Thread....
I wouldn't hesitate to throw some Zenith in these cows. The throw small calves that are vigerous. Plus they are excellent breeders with high butterfat. These cows are wide enough to protect Zenith on strength.
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5/3/2009, 1:42
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Re: My Crossbred Cow Thread....
I really like my Mr Sams too and we are using him sexed. However, be careful he can throw an elephant if he is bred outcross. Most of ours are moderate to big sized. However, two of ours stood over 63 as just fresh 2y olds. Unfortunatly, they are not good enough to be show cows. If I recall, you like moderate sized cows.
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13/3/2009, 19:40
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My Crossbred Cow Thread....
I've got some Mr. Sam daughters as it is 
Most are younger, I had two older ones, and both have aborted at some point. One got sent down the road for it, and the other I've managed to get pregnant again.
The young ones I haven't had much problem getting pregnant, but we'll see what happens as they age.
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14/3/2009, 1:16
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Update on the Holstein X Jersey cow that I have a photo of in this thread.
We received our monthly report from our milk testing cooperative and she ranked #1 for cheese yield in the area (a lot of farms) for cows that completed lactations in January. She was 200 pounds better than the next competitor. And this was competing with Holsteins.
She'll be calving very soon here, and a daughter will also be calving in the next few weeks.
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1/4/2009, 22:21
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Re: My Crossbred Cow Thread....
My crossbred is a Dalton(Brown Swiss)x Hermitage(Jersey)x Unknnown Holstein. She has had a Megastar(JJ) heifer, Holstein herd bull heifer and is now incalf to trident the best Ayrshire bull ever. She milks well too did about 280Kgs of fat in first lactation and now has 239Kgs up in 185 days in second.
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24/4/2009, 13:30
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JonnyLungs
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Re: My Crossbred Cow Thread....
Here is an interesting calf. She is an F3 generation crossbred, sired by Advent. Her sire stack is Advent X B Jurist (Swedish Red) X Jerrick (Jersey) X Winchester (Holstein).
No problem whatsoever with the calving. The grandmother is a solid Holstein X Jersey that is one of the few I've ever seen do the splits and live to tell about it. The mother looks like she ought to be a pretty good milker.
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15/5/2009, 3:45
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Re: My Crossbred Cow Thread....
And here is a crossbreeding failure. This is a Montbeliarde X Holstein that has topped out at 35 lbs./day in her first lactation.
This is one where I am choosing to avoid the 3-way cross and go straight back to Holstein for obvious reasons. She is pregnant to Jenny-Lou Shottle Trump and we'll see if we can't get her to improve enough to keep her around.
Experience with other beefy animals has told me that I can make it worthwhile to get offspring provided I use high milk Holstein bulls.
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15/5/2009, 3:51
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My Crossbred Cow Thread....
if she came in with 35lb and has held in calf and is still milking within 6 weeks of calving.I wouldnt call her a failure I would also expect her to produce at least 20% more on 2nd.These kinds of animals often have high components and flat lactations.
where one wins is with the trouble freeness not the milk production.ie.dont have the high costs associated with the high production.
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15/5/2009, 11:03
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My Crossbred Cow Thread....
Foxleigh is correct. Dual purpose breeds have flatter lactation curves and generally get better with age. If you can justify keeping her around until she has calved for a third/fourth time then you will really see what she can do. 17kg a day is not a great start though.
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15/5/2009, 18:42
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My Crossbred Cow Thread....
So long as she gets pregnant, I'll keep her around.
I have another Montbeliarde X Holstein that only has three working teats and she topped out at 83 lbs. so far.
So I'm not sure what to think of the Montbeliarde X Holstein at this point. Got some more on the way.
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15/5/2009, 20:54
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My Crossbred Cow Thread....
17 kg is about what we have experianced with our fleckvieh 24 monthers.Expect 25 on 2nd and 30 on 3rd and then there is no reason why they wont punch out between 7- 9000l per lactation for the next 10 years.
we have had quite a few holsteins who have only done low 5000ls that on a total fat kg basis have done between 225 and 250 kg which is 2/3 or 3/4 of herd ave and so do you cull for low milk? or not?We havent and they eventually do their 7000l mature cow bit and keep the test too.
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16/5/2009, 8:18
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My Crossbred Cow Thread....
Any production culls we have are usually due to reproductive problems. So like I said, so long as she gets pregnant she'll stick around. She may put out some nice daughters, sort of a take a step back to take a step forward case.
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16/5/2009, 16:50
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Re: My Crossbred Cow Thread....
We used Repromax (now Repromix) semen which is a combination of Holstein/Jersey/Hereford. It works remarkably well for settling problem breeders, but the resulting offspring is obviously a total crap shoot.
We've been quite lucky, in that about 2/3rds of the calves have been Holstein. This, however, was the first of several Holstein X Jersey crosses to result.
We weren't that thrilled about the prospect of crossbreeds in the herd, but she carried an embryo for us and calved in October with no problems - despite delivering a calf that seemed to be half her size. She is now the second highest money-making heifer in the herd and bred back perfectly (to Mr Sam).
Her performance makes me slightly less fearful of the other Jersey X Holstein crosses yet to come.
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17/5/2009, 1:47
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How are you going to stop her getting so grossly fat that it causes all manner of problems next calving?
I'll probably end up drying her up earlier than normal, depending on how her production plays out. Her "peak" is at least lasting.
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19/5/2009, 0:12
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My Crossbred Cow Thread....
we used to calve our fleckvieh heifers in jan (those days I'd calve jan to sept and start with the heifers as all the cows had been in a long time and it was easier to concentrate on heifers only before the cows started in march)and found that when it came time to dry them off in nov (end of spring)they were doing almost as much as when fresh
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19/5/2009, 10:06
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My Crossbred Cow Thread....
Jonnylungs-- If you had a pure holstein that peaked at 35 pounds a day would you keep her.?What do your 2 years usally peak at?
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19/5/2009, 12:19
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Re: My Crossbred Cow Thread....
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Jonnylungs-- If you had a pure holstein that peaked at 35 pounds a day would you keep her.?What do your 2 years usally peak at?
If there was nothing else wrong with her, then yes, I'd keep her around to see what she does in the second lactation.
I did have a Holstein X Swedish Red I rid myself of in the first lactation for production purposes. Something must've happened to her as a calf or heifer as she simply could not produce more than 10 lbs./day. There ain't no sugar coating that kind of production so she went down the road. Thankfully that seems to be the exception when it comes to Holstein X Swedish Reds as most are very competitive production wise with my pure Holsteins.
Average peak milk on my farm for all first lactation animals is 94 lbs.
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19/5/2009, 12:40
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My Crossbred Cow Thread....
That one is a little closer to my decent Mo X Ho cow. The one I have pictured a few posts up is even more rotund than she was when pictured, soon to dry off.
I'm a bit conflicted with the Montbeliarde breed since I have only two milking, one good, one bad. I've all but suspended my use of Monty and Normande semen for the time being so I can see what I've got with some more heifers coming.
The next batch will determine what role they will play in my system.
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23/7/2009, 17:55
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My Crossbred Cow Thread....
if i were you
id try and use some of the swiss genetics red bulls ...... many of them only have a small % of fleckvieh the rest being red holstein.from presonal experiance their type is a lot better than fleckvieh/montbelarde from other countries.
we used some SG blitz last year and have a smashing red heifer X redman and a b&w one who is smaller and rounder but still very correct.
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23/7/2009, 21:26
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Re: My Crossbred Cow Thread....
actually no -
2 heifers as above
1 silver grey bull x british friesian
1 chocolat brown with curly hair and eyepatches bull
after I commented on this to a classification commitee members wife she said check the code and yes blitz is only 92% red holstein.
I was suspisious after the silver grey but blamed the british friesian but after the choclate brown one I was sure.
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24/7/2009, 11:22
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