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Mating / Flush suggestion
We have an EX Winchester who will easily get to 50 tonnes milk by the end of her 4th lactation at about 3.5 fat and 3 protein. Not concerned about improving yield from there, but wouldn't want to lower those components.
Type wise the thing I'd like to improve most is width and strength. Although she doesn't show it herself, rear udders and longish teats can be a family problem.
Pedigree is Winchester X VG88 Blackstar x EX Roland x EX Ned x EX Ultimate.
If we flush any recips would be heifers, and I would want to keep any mating PI.
Any suggestions welcome.
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8/7/2006, 8:07
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Looking for Type or Production???
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8/7/2006, 11:44
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is she a pamela?(first thought)
The pedigree from roland back seems familiar(great big white cow?)
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8/7/2006, 12:57
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Re: Mating / Flush suggestion
If marketing is your plan, and this family, is very marketable, you need something that won't hurt the index.
Final Cut - hearing they are plenty wide and strong (dispite his sire) but I also know you are no fan of Storm (his dam)
Goldwyn - nice but width and strength are not his strong point.
Mr Sam/Samuelo - won't help index, and may kill your recips, but they have what your looking for.
Talent - Mine are plenty strong, and wide, but fat% not good, and again Storm in the ped. Also too late for marketing.
Oman - marketers dream, just make sure you sell everything quick as you can!!!!
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8/7/2006, 17:49
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Dolman might work? Not a big index bull and low reliability, but great cow family.
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8/7/2006, 18:41
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Why is Shottle PRICE GOING DOWN???
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8/7/2006, 19:13
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Posal - I was thinking more type than production as she already gives more milk than I can feed her for, but she does have enough index for it to be relevant.
Foxleigh - yes, it's a Pamela.
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Big Bird used winchester 
Nah, didn't use Winchester. Had an outrageous stroke of luck. The Blackstar was bought in a fairly delapidated state for not much more than killing money, served but not gauranteed in calf. She held to that service on her previous farm and rewarded us with twin Winchester heifers. The other twin is a huge, powerful VG87 cow that's given 43 tonnes in 3 lactations, although one lactation was over 500 days following a damaging tough calving.
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8/7/2006, 19:33
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Re: Mating / Flush suggestion
Went back and looked in your tank, Igniter should be a good cross,from a type standpoint. A real good family like the Pamela's, shows it true worth when you can get real good ones, from real bad bulls, Nochester.
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8/7/2006, 20:11
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Re: Mating / Flush suggestion
I have a deal to propose you...What about Royalist? You Said you want to protect, components, have more with and strength, better rear udders and short teats.
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8/7/2006, 20:31
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lucky you.....
Im sure I saw that roland either at the farm or at the royal way back in the early 80s - if I dug deep enough probably have a pic too!
how about markwell durham rhyme?
our yearlings are big powerful wide things that track straight and have hard tops just need to watch pin set.
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8/7/2006, 21:11
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I know what you saying about over doing production but i still go with Shottle our calves stick out in the pens so much power .
And he got to be the most fertile bull i ever used we split all the straws now and notice no difference .
Who going to do your flushing ?
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8/7/2006, 22:52
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Re: Mating / Flush suggestion
i can't add anything that new as i would suggest Shottle , i have worked with both winchesters and pamelas and i think he matches them to a tee if your not that worried about index maybe outside or allen if you can get them
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9/7/2006, 15:45
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Re: Mating / Flush suggestion
Weeton Jackson
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9/7/2006, 16:02
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Re: Mating / Flush suggestion
shottle now two ways about it. jackson wont be marketable enough! peoverye agree about the shottles being the stand out calves, most of my show calves will be shottles
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9/7/2006, 22:59
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Re: Mating / Flush suggestion
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Type wise the thing I'd like to improve most is width and strength. Although she doesn't show it herself, rear udders and longish teats can be a family problem.
Pedigree is Winchester X VG88 Blackstar x EX Roland x EX Ned x EX Ultimate.
That rules out Inspiration and Aerostar (Shottle and Roy) bloodlines for a start and most Bellwood Marshal sons would be extreme dairy (likely to burn out by second calf) so they would be excluded.Jackson wouldnt have the width required or the rear udder coming from a Raider. Addison bloodlines could be useful but udder depth maybe a problem with your cow being a Winchester.
The best I can come up with is Duplex but watch the components same with Damion.I would go with Igniter not extreme stature but plenty of width and depth and a very reliable proof.
Regancrest Design would also work but is he available in the UK?
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10/7/2006, 12:59
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Mating / Flush suggestion
I am pretty sure Royalist Would macth better than Anyother...He says he would like to protect %, Have more width, strength shorter teats, Bettere Rear Udders...try it.
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10/7/2006, 13:04
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Re: Mating / Flush suggestion
Shottle's proof ticks a lot of the boxes I'm looking for. The Inspiration wouldn't be that close, but the double Aerostar plus Mtoto would worry me slightly. The big plus would be that although we're not likely interest the geneticist a Shottle heifer might be a step that way.
From my pot Igniter could be a good mating. I have a real powerful Igniter ich from a slightly different Pamela line that I'm looking forward to seeing calved later this year.
Those two would be favourite at the moment.
Talent could do a lot of good, not sure about the fat. Outside probably wouldn't be a disaster.
The BW Marshall sons would just be a little scary for me, given some of the comments I've read, and most of the Durham's are quite low on fat.
Oman, surprisingly, hadn't crossed my mind. 
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10/7/2006, 19:47
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Mating / Flush suggestion
Don't use Igniter. They are simply not good enough in the udder.
I would be tempted to use Duplex.
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10/7/2006, 20:37
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I am pretty sure Royalist Would macth better than Anyother...He says he would like to protect %, Have more width, strength shorter teats, Bettere Rear Udders...try it.
Startmore Royalist ? Are you sure ?His linear these days looks dreadfull as does that other Royalist (Corky son??) .I'd still be backing Igniter at +10 mammary in Canada the bull is hellish good.
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10/7/2006, 21:57
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Re: Mating / Flush suggestion
Posal Corky Royalist
Semenzoo
He has 44 dtrs G+ or VG among 89 dtrs Classified. Mating the worst cows during first crop giving those results, 9 dtrs VG from 80-81 average Dams.
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11/7/2006, 7:52
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Re: Mating / Flush suggestion
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Jackson wouldnt have the width required or the rear udder coming from a Raider.
Trust me, you have no width or rear udder worries with jackson!
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11/7/2006, 20:41
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Re: Mating / Flush suggestion
Ta for the info on that BSJW raider bloodlines scare the s***e out of me always look to be frail with very average udders
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11/7/2006, 22:13
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Re: Mating / Flush suggestion
Working clothes, and not full of milk, but the general idea is there.
Last edited by Big Bird, 12/7/2006, 7:54
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12/7/2006, 7:46
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