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howie32
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Re: Crazy conversations
I just saw Elvis the other day and Durham is out in our barn right now. He is just hanging low for a while.
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23/5/2004, 14:42
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raffaelediciommo
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Re: Crazy conversations
Visis my herd website
and let me know what u think.
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23/5/2004, 14:46
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Re: Crazy conversations
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raffaelediciommoI dont know y!!!
But here in Italy we did not get any Durham or BW Marshall, now we can't have Morty anymore, We did not get Emory, Mandel...
What is going on? I believe that all Good Bull have some diseases !!!
Yeah "Political Diseases" !
We are used Dante and in the US they used Durham, we got Empire they got Derry, we get Forbidden they got Eland.
Is USA selling away just 2nd choice bulls?
Saving 1st choice for their own???
The Political Disease you refer too I assume is the Health and Standards each country outlines for Imports and Exports of Livestock.
Leoucosis, Blue Tongue, BVD, Leptospirious, Johnes,etc.. all have serious ramifications.
While a bull may not carry one of these at the herd of origin, sometimes in a Bull Stud mixing with bulls of different origin...bad things crop up.
Bulls are tested randomly thru out there lives especially Proven bulls that become in demand around the world.
In the case of Morty I was told he was clean and free to be sold around the world but at some point in the last year he had a high Blood Test (Blood Tighter?)for one of the above diseases...ending his eligibility to go overseas.
Durham I believe was a Leoucosis Tighter all of his Proven Life eliminating him from much of the global markets... I think he was allowed to Japan but not sure of Canada.
BW Marshall... never was made aware of any blood problems? always assumed from what I heard he wasnt the best semen producer lifetime at the time of his death semen went scarce quick.
Not sure how Italy got Mandel he was another one that had blood test problems I remember in his day many countries couldnt use him and where seeking all they could from matings in the US
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23/5/2004, 15:00
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raffaelediciommo
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Re: Crazy conversations
Can you explain to me y health regulations are valid for semen not for et???
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23/5/2004, 15:07
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Re: Crazy conversations
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Do u like this cow?
Raffy...shes a Beautiful Cow probably one of the very best I've seen posted on a discussion forum.
But I guess where going to have to wait till you post 20 more times on the forum until we can ask what her pedigree is and If she has a Show Record?
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23/5/2004, 15:10
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raffaelediciommo
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Re: Crazy conversations
I think you could wait for it?
May i know ho to delete mail notifications of answers to my messages?
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23/5/2004, 15:13
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jiri
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Re: Crazy conversations
Problem is not US or Canada political disease , it is disease Europe Union healthy policy . Morty , Durham , BW Marshall and specialy some Select Sires bulls afore are infection IBR or leukosis , this problem arise from group housing in Select Sires barn , or other company( one bull infect other bull ), today is situacion in barn Select sires differently , good bulls are housing in individual cote .
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23/5/2004, 15:14
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Re: Crazy conversations
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I just saw Elvis the other day and Durham is out in our barn right now. He is just hanging low for a while.
I know your joking...but seriously you wouldnt be housing Durhams clone. Would you?
I was told a couple weeks ago their are 2 out there somewhere in the US
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23/5/2004, 15:17
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raffaelediciommo
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Re: Crazy conversations
Y not if Durham is still on top rankings?
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23/5/2004, 15:18
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Can you explain to me y health regulations are valid for semen not for et???
I've always assumed the same Health Regulations are required for both semen and embryos, no matter the country.
A better person to answer that question would be someone with a number of years experience in the Embryo Exports and who Owns his own Bullstud and is familiar with Health Protical.
At last check hes still Banned?!?
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23/5/2004, 15:31
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raffaelediciommo
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Re: Crazy conversations
It is not so.
In Italy we imported a lot of Durham and BW Marshall ETS, no doses at all.
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23/5/2004, 15:35
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howie32
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Re: Crazy conversations
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I know your joking...but seriously you wouldnt be housing Durhams clone. Would you?
I was told a couple weeks ago their are 2 out there somewhere in the US
Nope, not here. I was told that they weren't going to clone him because they had such a large supply of semen already collected on him. Who knows though. We do have his full sister here.
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23/5/2004, 16:38
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raffaelediciommo
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Re: Crazy conversations
Talking with Frank Regan, I undestood that the problem were the money.
Select Sire wouldn't like to pay extra money to clone him and I think Regan sold cloning Royalties to Alta.
Which full sister do you have?
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23/5/2004, 16:42
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Re: Crazy conversations
99% of the time, it is the policies of the IMPORTING country, that determan what can, and what can not, be imported. 99% of the time it involves a great deal of politics. Have they not proven leukois, is not trasmitted through semen? so whats the problem there? Same with blue tongue, thought it could not survive a cold climate, so why can't that semen come to Canada? There is a TON of red tape involved in all of this, for sure, but I hardly think, some of the bulls mentioned are not exsported, on purpose.
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23/5/2004, 19:44
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raffaelediciommo
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Re: Crazy conversations
Do you know how import rules work in Italy?
Anafi should give ok to the Helth and Care Minister, to allow them to import them.
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23/5/2004, 19:48
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Re: Crazy conversations
Thanks. I found it !
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23/5/2004, 20:03
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Re: Crazy conversations
RDC - I will find out this week just what the protocall is for Italy to import embryos from Canada if you like. It will be extremely detailed and too much to simply write on here, I would have to fax it to you.
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24/5/2004, 3:03
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raffaelediciommo
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Re: Crazy conversations
Or you could send it by mail.
Anyway I repeat Anafi should approve every embryo coming in.
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24/5/2004, 6:18
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Re: Crazy conversations
import protocols are funny things!
i wonder whether regancrest has a problem with leucosis as edlin was a positive from a young age and we were only able to get semen when we finally got one negative test.what amazes me is that authorites set dates and timelimits for bulls to be negative within but dont seem to care about health history.
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24/5/2004, 14:06
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Re: Crazy conversations
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It is not so.
In Italy we imported a lot of Durham and BW Marshall ETS, no doses at all.
Raffy,
Most countries allow for the import of embryos as long as the Donor Cow meets those same health restrictions, Im not a Vet but I believe there is no way to pass IBR, Lecosis,BVD or the dozens of bad blood tighters thru breeding of a cow, Its most likely why Donor Cows are tested If shes clean her embryos are clean.
Your importation of Durham and BW Marshall embryos to Italy are the only way to take advantage of there genetics the same as Mandel embryos where highly sought after when he was big.
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