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raffaelediciommo
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What about Udder Cleft and Depth?
Are they Optionals?
Nice cow family, not the best mate!!!
Mattie G was almost able to destroy my best Type and Udder family.
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23/5/2004, 11:47
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frodobag
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I have found one thing out with breeding and it is very easy to find reasons why not to use any and every bull out there, sometimes you have to bite the bullet and make a choice. I know why I shouldnt use Titanic and all the others, and you have said why we shouldnt. But who SHOULD we use?!! I am always open to suggestions. And I hear your point on photos, but you cant make decisons soley on that! All cows have a mother, and the bell curve doesnt lie! You need to see ALL daughters before you can make a decision based on that. Thats why all breeding companies strive to get high daughter numbers and high reliability. If you see one daughter of a bull can you tell how good he is? I couldnt really tell you on anything under 20, they may be the best 20 or worst 20!I am no way near clever enough. And certainly not on pictures which at best are adverts to sell semen. And you are a little scathing of Canadian classifiers, they are equally hard on everything, I learnt that in my year out there. The country which suffers from 84itis!
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23/5/2004, 19:00
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raffaelediciommo
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Watching 10 1st crop daughters is more than enought, plus study pedigrees and traits linear.
I am using now
Mtoto, Morty, Allen, Royalist, Outside, Champion. You could breed your whole herd with those bulls.
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23/5/2004, 19:07
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frodobag
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I bow down to your judging ability. Champion? Will he still be there? Im sure his owner made sure that he had as much chance as any bull to get a good proof, and extreme dairyness, the trait most related to reduced herdlife. Is that the way I need to go? They are nice calves, I agree, and for sure Morty, outside and Mtoto take some getting around. I need to see more Allens, he has the power that the breed needs
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23/5/2004, 20:25
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raffaelediciommo
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With the Bulls I Mentioned, you can mate all your herd, not each cow needs the same bull.
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23/5/2004, 20:32
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raffaelediciommo
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Use him on Mtoto's and You could get a Strong Powerfull Milking Machine.
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23/5/2004, 20:36
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Bullpen
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Nobody really knows what Champion will be like yet. His proof suggests tall and dairy but average on feet and udder scores. People seem to like the calves but his stable doesn't have a track record yet.
Oh and by the way Will, heres an even better frame bull.
http://www.holstein-uk.org/HolsteinUK/PublicWeb/AnimalData/data/ASMalefs.asp?AnimalID=156876
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23/5/2004, 20:39
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Is Mtoto really so great. I cannot get excited about ours. Too short and thick and feet are soft.
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23/5/2004, 20:45
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raffaelediciommo
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Noway for Mtoto to have soft feet!!!!
Which were their mothers?
Mtotos' could be thick that's why I suggest to use Champion on Mtotos'.
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23/5/2004, 20:53
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