amlkman
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Lancelot
Anyone have info on this Bull?
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3/5/2004, 6:46
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Rox
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Re: Lancelot
Was in Germany in september -03 and we saw fourteen dauthers of Lancelot at fourteen diffrent farms.A most uniform group of cows.Most of them was very tall and their length of body was impressiv.
The udders was really really good,and they was milking 40kg/day in average!Good legs with high and steep foot angle.The legs rear view has tendens of hook-in of one or two.I has used ten straws of him and got nine pregnant,wery good fertility.
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3/5/2004, 21:02
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amlkman
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Re: Lancelot
Just wanting to know how good of a bull he is? Looking to buy some Embryos out of him.
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4/5/2004, 1:52
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canuk
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Re: Lancelot
Holstein International just did a write up on him basically said the same thing as Rox.
I pretty much no nothing about this bull, other than what I heard on this forum,would like to hear more on him myself.
Feel he may be too good to be true, but maybe I'm just not informed enough. I was hammered for saying Storm @ $75.00 was cheap, but hear people pay upwards of $200 for this bull, it puzzles me.
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4/5/2004, 14:25
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ghz
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Re: Lancelot
Canuk,
I too have often wondered about the high, and sometimes exorbitant prices paid for first crop bull semen.(not that we dont buy some too!)But I feel the real value out there is for solid second crop or high reliability first crop bulls with a decent P.L.,S.C.S.,D.F.R. ,components according to your milk market,decent daugh. lact. avg.,good type with a known transmitting pattern ,from a good family.
Too bad there is not a way to keep track of how many times people have used the new "HOT" bull to keep their PTA looking good on paper,but as far as lifetime production and making brood cows,
actually went backwards.
My feelings are that the PTA's for high reliability and second crop bulls are just that a "Predicted Transmitting Ability",whereas the PTA's for first crop bulls often times are little more than just a "GUESStimate" of transmitting ability especially as far as type ,P.L.,S.C.S,D.F.R. is concerned.
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5/5/2004, 11:33
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simon powell
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Re: Lancelot
On the subject of bulls that you are using, Will. Not that long ago you advocated using only bulls with a bona fide UK proof. Preferring these to the disappointments you had experienced with imported bulls.
Does the use of Jojoba signify a change in policy?Or has he some unique attributes that are not evident in UK tested bulls?
I am particularly surprised that his type proof is based on 28 daughters in 23 herds, when reliability is so important to you!!
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5/5/2004, 23:59
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