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When Durham was new
When Durham was 1st proven he was roundly roasted by folks ,some of you, on the Holstein World Forum.
He was only scored Good Plus, with an unattractive photo. Most said they would NEVER use such an ugly bull.
He managed to have a few offspring. These forums never change.
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4/4/2004, 5:57
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Re: When Durham was new
ronflatness: What is that suposed to mean? That first impressions are wrong? That one has to see results before making judgments? Ugly bulls don't get much use until their daughters win some shows.
Who doesn't get scorched on these forums? Only those without convictions, or those who are afraid to express them.
I think the bull in my own bull pen is better than 90% of the AI bulls. (I use him artifically for the information of the herd bull bashers who write for Hoards.)
I also think that the good breeders who keep bulls or those buying bulls from them, are more apt to IMPROVE their herds than those who use the run-of-the-mill AI bulls.
Using "best average" bulls will give you nothing more than average herd.
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4/4/2004, 6:31
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Re: When Durham was new
Yes, first impressions are often wrong.
Emory had little interest as a young bull,78pt Gr. dam
Likewise BW Marshall, 83pt.GR.dam ,80 pt udder, Bellwood son to boot
Glendell's dam wasn't even scored
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4/4/2004, 14:28
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Re: When Durham was new
quote:
ronflatness wrote:
These forums never change.
Why waste your time with posts then???
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4/4/2004, 18:01
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Re: When Durham was new
ronflatness, Glendell was purchased when cows were cows, not numbers, and sire analysts went to the herd and poured over records and looked at the daughters and every member of the cow family available. They were cow men with talent.
I'm not saying they no longer have talant, they just aren't allowed to freely use it.
I wouldn't touch BW Marshall with a ten foot pole. What is he, one of the few acceptabe Bellwoods out of 10,000 sons? Would a stud contract a cow that was the only good daughter of a bull out of a thousand?
The main studs buy bulls with the bigger commercial herds in mind. If you think they cater to the smaller registered herds, you are naive indeed. That is where, fortunately, the smaller studs specialize. The bigger studs just throw us a bone now and then, as sons of show cows, high scoring cows, high individual records,etc. It certainly isn't their forte.
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5/4/2004, 2:16
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Re: When Durham was new
Gendell was purchased as a breeder proven bull,with a good proof. Not only ,was his dam not classified, but didn't have a production record either!
Do you know why some of the breeders friends called him two bits?
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5/4/2004, 3:02
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Re: When Durham was new
Yes, I know that Glendell was purchased as a breeder proven bull, as was Rotate, and most of the bulls at that time were. But I'm sure the stud looked at the daughters.
I was speaking mostly of how the young sires were purchased and how contract cows were selected.
The nickname "two bits" came from the fact the Hartman's received 25 cents for each Glendell ampule sold.
Glendell's dam died shortly after he was born, so never had a record, but she was considered by her breeders to be an outstanding individual.
There was never a bogus breeder proven AI bull in which the stud was not a knowing and willing co-conspritator, or maybe just plain stupid.
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5/4/2004, 5:38
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Re: When Durham was new
Very knowledgeable comments' "M".
However... why then did they lease Ocolter Chairman Monitor?
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5/4/2004, 12:21
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Re: When Durham was new
"M"? Close, similar genetics, but a different generation. I never heard of Ocolter Chairman Monitor.
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6/4/2004, 2:35
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Re: When Durham was new
Sorry Rinky...I obviously thought you were Marianne, under another alias, she is very clever!
The Ocolter bull was at the same stud as Glendell.
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6/4/2004, 3:20
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Re: When Durham was new
I think Coming On Holstein Chief would be the all time biggest flop.
Wonder If "Stormin Norman" wont be the next in line?
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13/4/2004, 0:50
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