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mckeague
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
Here’s my choice of sires of sons followed by the quantity of each :
BRAEDALE FREELANCE - 15
HARTLINE TITANIC - 15
SUNNYLODGE LINJET - 10
TYCET LYSTER - 5
ROYLANE JORDAN - 15
LANCELOT - 15
CALBRETT CHAMPION - 10
PURSUIT SEPTEMBER STORM - 15
These bulls may or may not be mated to daughters of some of the following :
GELPRO
JOCKO BESNE
CAROL PRELUDE MTOTO
COMESTAR OUTSIDE
DIXIE-LEE AARON
WA-DEL CONVINCER
MAUGHLIN STORM
ROBTHOM INTEGRITY
SHOREMAR JAMES
COMESTAR LEE
KED JUROR
OLMO PRELUDE TUGOLO
SILKY GIBSON
The bull dam’s would be made up of :
5 Maiden
25 1st calvers
25 2nd calvers
25 3rd calvers
20 4th calvers
No doubt people will wonder in astonishment at some of the choices I have made, but I firmly believe the sires on this list are real cowmakers!!
Last edited by mckeague, 18/2/2004, 15:09
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
Gibson -15
Sept Storm -15
Champion -15
Goodluck -10
Stormatic -10
Allen -10
Terric Reggie -10
Talent - 5
Lyster - 5
Linjet - 5
The cows to be mated to the above bulls
Integrity
Rudolph
Storm
Outside
James
Lee
Gibson
Linjet
Jolt
Cheif mark
Emory
Bellwood
Ked Juror
Ages of these dams
0 -maidens
15 - 1st calvers
25 - 2nd
25 - 3rd
25 - at least 4 calves
10 - at least 10, regular troublefree calvings, no F&L problems, no sign of udder breakdown, cows that have really proven their brood cow ability.
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18/2/2004, 15:42
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kenny
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
Sires
Freelance 20
Titanic 15
Lancelot 15
Talent 10
December 10
V Eaton 5
Lucente 5
Sept Storm 5
Careca 5
Sinatra 5
Strunz 5
Sires of dams
Outside
Principal
Lord Lily
Jocko
Lukas
Tugolo
Convincer
James
Gibson
10 Maidens
30 1st Lactation
20 2nd
20 3rd
20 4th or more
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18/2/2004, 19:34
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Bob
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
Sires
Marmax 10
Best 10
Forbidden 10
Ready 10
Tresor 10
Banderas 10
Careca 10
Titanic 10
Raul 10
Morty 10
Freelance 10
Dams
BW Marshall
Durham
Rudolph
Mtoto
Tugolo
Capri
Ford
Emerson
Gelpro
Convincer
Manat
Aaron
Addison
Outside
Bench Eddie
Jocko Besne
10 Maidens
40 1st calvers
25 2nd calvers
25 3rd and above
Last edited by Bob (Local user), 18/2/2004, 21:12
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18/2/2004, 21:09
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CHARITY
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
SIRES
TALENT 10
GIBSON 20
TRIUMPHANT 5
DUNDEE 15
ALLEN 20
LYSTER 10
RED MARKER 5
LINJET 5
SKYCHIEF 5
TERRASON 5
DAMS
INTEGRITY
EMORY
ELAND
HILLCREST
RED MARKER
GIBSON
TRIUMPHANT
JOLT
RUDOLPH
DURAHM
GARTER
MATHIE
SKYCHIEF
ENCORE
STARBUCK
30 FIRST CALVERS
30 SECOND CALVERS
30 THIRD CALVERS AND OVER
10 GRAND CHAMPIONS,MULTI STAR BROOD COWS
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19/2/2004, 4:09
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shilt79
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
Sires would include but certainly not limited to:
Champion 10
September Storm 10
Freelance 10
Ramses 10
Gibson 10
Lyster 10
Stormin Bill 5
Dundee 5
Linjet 10
Allen 5
15 - various bulls.
Dams sired by/ but not limited to:
James
Outside
Abe
Eland
Storm
Rudolph
Manat
Wade
Nobel
Lee
Gibson
Integrity
Juror
Leader
Emory
Stardust
Skychief
0 Maiden
25 1st Lac.
35 2nd Lac.
20 3rd Lac.
20 4th lac. and older
EX, GMD, DOM, Multiple star brood cows, Multiple Gen. EX, High components, and over 200,000 Lifetime all play important role in selection.
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19/2/2004, 4:21
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cook
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
Morty-10
Titanic-10
Lucente-10
Champion-8
Raul-7
Jordan-7
Freelance-7
Courier-7
Best-7
December-7
Geno-5
Strunz-5
September-5
Roxell-5
bull mothers
lord lily
mtoto
Outside
Principal
AAron
Manat
Jocko Besne
Gelpro
Tugulo
Convincer
Marshall
Gibson
Storm
Shaker
Lucente
Lukas
ked juror
Jordan
Eddie
Selection
10 maidens
30 1st lac
25 2nd lac
20 3rd lac
15 4th or more lac
vg or ex three or four generation back.
I believe that no bull should be used more than 10 times as that is the reason we have an inbreeding problem,like too many blackstar sons. And its reducing the case for some of these sires going Ka boom!! which could leave a stud in a bad situation.For example a bull called brock ,i believe some studs used him alot as a sire of sons .And now they are feeling the pinch.
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19/2/2004, 19:14
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dwgreen
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
Sires of sons
O Man 10
Raul 10
V Eaton 10
Horst Harry 5
Titanic 10
Freelance 10
Lucente 10
Strunz 5
Morty 5
Wizard 10
Lancelot 10
Finley 5
Sires of dams mainly but not exclusively
Gibson
Outside
Aaron
Integrity
Storm
Gelpro
Manat
Lee
Convincer
Juror
Addison
Formation
Jocko
BW Marshall
Tugolo
maiden hfrs 5
1 lact 45
2/3 lact 25
4+ lact 25
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foxleigh
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
well I would run an ad for breeders to nominate cows for bulldams.
My criteria would be age minimum 5yo(3 natural calves in 5 years).Would prefer that 2/3 or better of her calves were heifers.
Minimum classification VG with all categories being VG too.3 generation minimum VG pedigree background.
Production to be herd average or better
With Sires I would look at what female progeny these cows had to see what worked on them type and production wise and I would take on board what the breeder would use himself for a bull mating.
I believe this would offer as wide a genetic pool as there is because it gives cows by homebred sires a look in, would also give me a wide cross section sire wise as well.
one more thing would change proof system so all bulls start on 0 and there is no maternal/paternal pedigree influence.
forgot to comment that with the sires I prefer not to list them because there are so many I personally dont like but do work on some cow families that I would be guided by results of previous matings and breeders gut instincts
ok, ok,
bulls I would like to use sons of
encore
linjet
skagvale confidence
wilonna lite whiskey
avonlea raider jetmaster
dundid whiskey wisdom
puget sound provost
durham
boss iron
dams I would like sons of
all of the above plus
chief mark
sexation
tony
senator
warden
astrojet
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svennis
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
Sires:
Morty-15
Titanic-15
Talent-15
Boss Iron-10
Laudan-10
Champion-5
Riverland-5
Gibson-5
Freelance-5
Stern-5
10 various bulls
Dams:
Outside
James
Bonatus
Lee
Storm
Leader
Wade
Integrity
Jocko Besne
Dante
Durham
Rudolph
Stardust
Pedant
Lukas
Raider
Selection:
5 Maiden
25 1st calvers
35 2nd calvers
25 3rd calvers
10 4th calvers
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20/2/2004, 23:30
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Arpagon
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
Sires :
Titanic 20
Oman 20
Royalist RF 10(Corky x Factor)
Marmax 10
Boliver 10
Raul 5
Banderas 5
Harry 5
Talent 5
young sires 10
Dams
Jocko
Mtoto
Tugolo
Addison
Storm
Skywalker
Monet RED
Selection
20 maiden
40 1st calvers
20 2nd calvers
20 older
Last edited by Arpagon, 21/2/2004, 21:04
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21/2/2004, 20:15
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IndiesViewGD
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
Sires:
Durham-20
Calbrett Champion-20
Morty-20
September Storm-10
BW Marshall-10
Eland-5
Jordan-5
Talent-5
Freelance-5
Dams:
Storm
Outside
Lee
Charles
Integrity
Wade
Design
James
Encore
Linjet
Leduc
Selection:
10 Maiden
30 First Calvers
20 Second calvers
20 Third Calvers
20 Older
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23/2/2004, 20:50
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cdl
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
why are most of the sires you have chosen so young have bullslike titanic/freelance/sept storm etc proven themselves yet or are they just hot today.thet only have 100dtrs each.
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23/2/2004, 22:30
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cdl
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
sorry sir
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25/2/2004, 19:48
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simon powell
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
Coming Shortly!!!
Big Bird stole my excuse!!
A long rugby week end in Edinburgh has not helped. Playing catch-up at home. Farm inspection and Classification looming.
Please sir, Monday??
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26/2/2004, 11:16
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alan a
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
Sires
Freelance 10
Titanic 10
Talent 10
Raul 10
Lucente 10
Sepember 10
Justice 5
jackson 5
Lucius 5
Jordan 5
Reggie 5
Careca 5
daughters of :
aaron
Convincer
outside
Mtoto
gelpro
Juror
Inquirer ( couldn't leave him out )
Igniter
Cousteau
Gibson
tugolo
Manat
allen
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10 maidens ( Sires like Champion, Stormatic, morty}
40 1st calf
20 2nd calf
20 3rd calf
10 4th or older
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Also test a few bulls of our own (all orders accepted)
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26/2/2004, 16:57
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CHARITY
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
Flush the bull dam sex the embryos put the male embryos into recipients and u should have plenty of bulls
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29/2/2004, 5:41
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
Aquila Patron Lucente 10
Silverpost Sinatra Sinatra 10
Braedale Freelance 10
Benner Jerry 10
Terric Reggie 10
Ladino Park Talent 10
Boss Iron 10
Canyon-Breeze Allen 10
Dellka Juror Gordon 10
Comestar Outside 10
On the dam's side I would be looking for: -
Preferably 12,000 litres, minimum 10,000.
50% of them 4% fat.
Preferably 3 gens EX, minimum of 3 VG88.
The bull dam’s would be made up of :
0 maidens
20 1st lactation
30 2nd lactation
30 3rd lactation
20 4th lactation or more
In practice I would use a larger number of bulls, but for the sake of this exercise the arguments to come I have stuck to ten.
Last edited by Big Bird, 1/3/2004, 9:23
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Milking generations of VG & EX from:- Mapel Wood Sheik Betsy EX, Portlea Ned Pamela EX94, Wrico Tempo Erma EX92, Bondhill Ultimate Tina EX91, Oak Ridges HS Kim EX.
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29/2/2004, 19:53
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ghz
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Re: Virtual Sire analyst
I agree more or less with the ideas and criteria of Canuk,Foxleigh and Big Bird.My list of Bulls/
Durham 5
Outside 5
Linjet 5
Gibson 5
BW Marshall 5
Throne 5
Roy 10
Champion 10
Allen 10
Stormatic 5
Morty 5
Talent 5
Reggie 5
Titanic 5
Freelance 5
Various(Dundee,Adolph,Terrason,Red Marker)10
Dams by most of the high rel. bulls above plus/
Rudolph
Integity
Convincer
Storm
Aaron
Juror
James
Red Marker
0 maidens
15 first lact.
20 2nd. lact
30 3rd lact.
35 4 or more lact.
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