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Re: Rear Teat Placement
Rear teats too close and too short, that seems to be what the new high type udder bulls are throwing. If they are a bit far back and crossing inflations doesn't work, call in one of the kids to stand there and hold the unit on. (You may have to up his allowance)
After 32 daughters,that's why we're still using Integrity for high wide rear udders. At least the machine will milk them.
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3/2/2004, 21:53
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Re: Rear Teat Placement
is this passed on by certain blood lines? Have seen Storms do this, also it is definatly a Roxy family trait to put the teats way back on the rear udder, Raider was one bull that did put them too close, as well as his son Lee. The classifiers over here in Canada, have been pretty hard on this for a least the last 3 or 4 years, and rightly so. Try putting a paper towel roll between the two liners to hold them apart a little, may work.
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4/2/2004, 3:42
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Re: Rear Teat Placement
"Rear teats back too far" was a definate trait of many of the Round Oak Rag Apple Elevation daughters, but the teats weren't too close or short and didn't present a problem in milking.
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4/2/2004, 7:19
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Re: Rear Teat Placement
Should not happen to much if bred correctly.
If they are to close use a bull that has a low rating for teat placement like Gibson
or Leduc.
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4/2/2004, 12:51
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Re: Rear Teat Placement
We had one Fatal out of a Slocum.Her udder was just as you say Mark.She didn't last long but bred us a great Addison before she went.
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6/2/2004, 14:16
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Re: Rear Teat Placement
Close teats are a significant issue for dairy farms breeding modern Holstein cattle. In the milking parlour, it can lead to air leaking and teat-slip - and we all know the result of that!
Speaking from direct experience, robot milkers do not have a problem if they can see any daylight at all between rear teats. Touching and crossing are a no-no. Late lactation can be problematic. The problem not only lies with teats not being in the centre of the quarter, but with excessively strong ligaments. I avoid bulls with such ligament traits, and of course close placement. (sorry Morty). However, in this system, long teats can ease some of these complaints.
Have Jojoba calves on the ground - good big dairy calves, but not sure how the legs are going to turn out though. Also prefer Bellwood sons and grandsons, from high solid lines of course (oh, and free milking).
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15/2/2004, 16:43
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Re: Rear Teat Placement
[quote from FiringOnAllFour] Close teats are a significant issue for dairy farms breeding modern Holstein cattle. In the milking parlour, it can lead to air leaking and teat-slip - and we all know the result of that!
Speaking from direct experience, robot milkers do not have a problem if they can see any daylight at all between rear teats. Touching and crossing are a no-no. Late lactation can be problematic. The problem not only lies with teats not being in the centre of the quarter, but with excessively strong ligaments. I avoid bulls with such ligament traits, and of course close placement. (sorry Morty). However, in this system, long teats can ease some of these complaints.
Have Jojoba calves on the ground - good big dairy calves, but not sure how the legs are going to turn out though. Also prefer Bellwood sons and grandsons, from high solid lines of course (oh, and free milking).
Do you have a robotic milker? If so how's it working for you? Also so you breed strictly for teat placement so will you sell a cow with the rear teats too close together?
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17/2/2004, 2:18
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Re: Rear Teat Placement
Well. Yes, but I also milk through a 12/24 Alfa. Therefore I do not have to sell or cull cows that are unsuitable for the machines.
How is it going? The first six months are h*ll, if you are the fussy kind. About 10-15% of our cows needed a lot of work to get trained onto getting up on their own for milking. After that, the cows gradually settle in. The improvement comes when the cows calve in for the second time milking on the machines. Generally they just take off after a few days if not immediately. We had a bad bout of mastitis after the startup, which apparently you may get with any new parlour, possibly due to new pulsation and electrostatic in the framework, stress etc.; so this of course did not help my head in the opening period.
The cows are sure to milk well if everything else is right. But in order to get them to travel well, feet must be shipshape - or it won't happen. Also, diet is crucial in maintaining activity. Cows on COMPLETE mixed rations (that you have to push into the parlour) won't get up to get milked.
The cows are housed all year on a part mixed ration.
Where do you farm? What do you already know about them?
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17/2/2004, 14:27
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Re: Rear Teat Placement
I'm from the U.S. we have just a 50 cow tie stall barn. My knowledge about robotic milkers is very limited so I was curious as to how they worked and if you liked them or they were worth having as opposed to a regular parlor.
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17/2/2004, 22:00
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Re: Rear Teat Placement
So, pardon my ingnorance, but do you spring/summer graze your cows? Are you in a temperate region?
One of the reasons for choosing automatic milking was the shift in relative costs that is taking place in my region. Cereals on the whole are getting cheaper in Europe (excluding this year!), while labour is becoming very expensive. Farms have to compete with the trades for workers, and the trades seem to be able to pay high wages as their services are in short supply currently - hence our decision. Only time will tell if it was the right one or not. Content with mechanical performance so far. The machines work. But can man work with them!?!?!
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18/2/2004, 10:46
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Re: Rear Teat Placement
No we do not graze our cows at all heifers yes cows no. The cows are fed the same year round hailage morning, corn silage noon, hay or silage at night, and high moisture shell corn and soybean meal at milking times.
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19/2/2004, 1:36
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