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stephen dalton
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Re: Flush choice?
If she was mine i would have to use Linjet or Red Marker these bulls would put in some much needed type and correct the bad bellwood and bellman blood.But i know type is dirty word to u so i will try my hardest to pick an index bull!.
New world Empire is the only thing half good.
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21/7/2003, 0:26
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Re: Flush choice?
How about Pinehurst Rock-n-Roll-Red? We've got a bunch of them, and he's just what she needs. If that type of bull doesn't fit your ticket, I agree with Stephen's suggestion of Empire.
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21/7/2003, 2:37
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Re: Flush choice?
Might be tempted to have a go with Sandy-Valley Forbidden or even Lancelot as you were thinking about. There may just be a slight chance of AI companies being interested in a bull especially if it was by Lancelot. Not sure whether they would be wanting bulls from Bellwood dams ... they will say its old genetics,but the best aint always bred first.
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21/7/2003, 9:00
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stephen dalton
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Linjet or red marker would do a better job than forbidden
with mascot blood behind him this to me would be daft with bellwood mascot and bellman blood together could be a nightmare waiting to happen good luck ! BANG
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21/7/2003, 15:14
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Re: Flush choice?
I dont think your seeing things clearly here stephen, this is a cow in the Uk where the owner is hoping that he could sell stock (bulls?) from. The market here drives breeding decisions towards index with type being a consideration but not the ultimate. I dont think type is seen as being a dirty word, it just needs to be used in conjunction with index and production potential in this case. Using Linjet or Red Marker in this case just isnt an option as AI companies would just laugh at you if you mentioned these bulls to them. I would go with Outside on this cow should work on that rump and the breeder satisfaction with his daughters could be an influence when selling stock from the flush. Roy may be another option although its 2 crosses of Juror, but wheres the harm in that??
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21/7/2003, 16:02
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Re: Flush choice?
Mark this may seem like an obvious choice but have you considered gibson?? your cow has definetly enough milk. Gibson is the king in the fore udder department and he should give her a little more depth through the heart.
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21/7/2003, 21:44
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Re: Flush choice?
Linjet or RedMarker HELP would that be with a free axe to cut down all the wood ? ROLL
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22/7/2003, 8:52
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simon powell
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Re: Flush choice?
I'd go with Gibson too, although I wouldn@t mind guessing that Mark will have a few straws of Lucente lined up for her!!!
Whatever you do it is important to remember the Bellwood influence, and protect the udder even if hers is mind-blowing! Good luck.
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22/7/2003, 10:23
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Which bulls
I presume you didnt consider Red Marker  In my opinion SV Forbidden calves have arrived and are surprisingly nice. I would also contemplate Lucente and Morty (if you can get him) 
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22/7/2003, 12:00
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simon powell
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Now you've got me really interested!!!quote:
Lucente probably isn't the bull for this cow
Why not?
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22/7/2003, 12:59
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Fully understood!!!!!
I wasn't being critical, I knew you liked Lucente and he seemed a logical "knit" on this Bellwood cow.
Just to put the record straight, if you check back I havn't been over critical of Lucente.I openly admit I have not used the bull, but accept that this decision may turn out to be a mistake.What worries me is that through this forum and the national media you could get the impression that he is the bull to put across most of your herd. I believe that his type pattern is such that he needs using very selectively (as indeed do most bulls!!!!). I remain a bit suspicious of his milk figure, and as mentioned before, having Patron as a father doesn't endear him to me.
But, if he is the "Real Thing" he would be a great cross on your cow!!!!!!
And, may I add, a great success for the UK AI industry.
In my confusion I'll throw another name into the pot. Hiddenview best. He doesn't convert that well on our figures but the Americans have a lot of faith in him. Wade xEmory xLeadman so he will have some blackstar but also some rarity as semen is short.
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22/7/2003, 15:27
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Re: Flush choice?
Best looks to have great width in the frontend but his rump width is fairly average and rumps appear to be level.Udder attachments are OK but rear teat placement is towards the outside of the quarter ,therefore dont think he would be worth risking on a high type, high index Bellwood cow such as, this even if he is rare.
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22/7/2003, 18:12
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Hidden view Best is from one of three fantastic Emory sisters my father saw on a trip to the states when we were restocking 4 years ago. They made a great impression but the embryos were very dear around 1000/each if i remember. i not to excited about his sire though- Aero Wade they seem a little variable.
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22/7/2003, 21:17
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Re: Flush choice?
As Lancelot is rarer than rocking horses*** I expect you'll be flushing with him real soon
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21/8/2003, 20:36
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simon powell
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Looks like Lancelot x Lucente is the next golden cross!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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22/8/2003, 16:49
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Re: Flush choice?
interesting pedigree and definitely one of bellwoods better typed daughters,not to mention better testing.
For myself I would look for a strength bull.Since you all ruled out linjet(in my experiance some of the rear legs are a bit dodgy coming from lindy)I might look for an encore son from a wet cow,(I wouldnt rule out an unproven sire either)maybe even something as strange as skyfame or boss iron. Or I would look for a strong typed cowfamily with a wet son such as mandel zandra or delia
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22/8/2003, 22:44
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simon powell
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Have you flushed her yet?
Who did you use?
How did you get on?
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5/9/2003, 23:23
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Re: Flush choice?
Just out of interest have any of u flushed cows with the CIDR in until the 4th day of FSH we have had some excellent results and now do all flushes this way we find that they come into season better and have less cows showing no signs of heat while on a program.
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6/9/2003, 16:44
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Re: Flush choice?
Its called HOPE, done plenty of flushing, always seems to be more bad news than good, but every once in a while you hit the jackpot. Find flush results to be extremly heretitary, even more frustrating ever heard of the odd cow that may make a lot of eggs, but pregs are hard to get.
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14/1/2004, 1:03
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Re: Flush choice?
my husbands first ex cow, an inspiration , was like that . we flushed her 3 times to 3 different bulls and put both fresh and frozen eggs into both heifers and cows and never got a single thing to hold.I wonder sometimes if cows like humans might suffer from +/- blood that then causes a reaction in the recipient to reject the embryo.
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14/1/2004, 13:34
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simon powell
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What sort of response did your cow have, Mark? Did she produce other unfertilised eggs?
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14/1/2004, 14:50
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simon powell
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You've already invested six months in her, I'd have another go with a different bull, and a bit more spoiling, you never know your luck. She's obviously producing eggs, which I always consider to be a good start!!!
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14/1/2004, 17:51
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