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I was talking to a classifier who said that heifer with short teats could not go vg no matter how good she was everywere else,should 1 trait have so much power to the score of a cow,
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1/12/2003, 23:14
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alan a
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Re: classifying
Same applies with high pins, as that is the current 'target'. years ago it was teat placement.
I recently ran into a breeder who had a heifer downgraded by 3 points to GP because he admitted she was slow milking. How does that encourage accurate data collection ?
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2/12/2003, 9:49
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Re: classifying
We had arguments/discussion with our classifier over this sort of thing before where he told us if a heifer was one point higher in the rear udder she would be an easy 87points, but she wasn't so he could only make her 84!!!! I still don't agree with him, and i think we will always disagree with our classifiers over something and as breeders thats the way it should be as we are so demanding of our efforts and our animals.
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2/12/2003, 9:52
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Re: classifying
You are never going to agree with a classifier over every cow, but remember that you see that cow every day of the year, several times a day, whereas the classifier only sees her for a couple of minutes. You know how good she can look, he only sees how she looks at that time.
I do agree with the current moves on rump scores. We have done this topic before and it is a problem.
When it comes to teat length I think teat placement and size are much more important. If a teat is short but a good width round, and it is nicely placed it is no problem at all. If it is short, thin and poorly placed it can be a big problem. In my view quality and position are far more important than just short teat length.
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2/12/2003, 11:29
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Re: classifying
Is it true that a cow with a twisted face can't go VG in the UK?
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2/12/2003, 14:04
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Re: classifying
Yes.
I had aStorm which the classifier said would have been 87 as a 2yr old but the twist left her 84.
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2/12/2003, 18:21
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simon powell
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Re: classifying
They will go VG as they mature, but they get penalised very heavily for body and have to excel at everything else to make it!!
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2/12/2003, 18:36
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Re: classifying
In my opinion the clssifiers will get harder on teat length as Robot milkers will become more fashnoble in the future as this is a huge minus for these machines. But I dont think that this trait should hold the key toward a VG or Ex status. I also think that classifiers are right to get harder on Rump angle and thurl positioning.
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6/12/2003, 0:20
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Re: classifying
we classified yesterday and we noticed that placement more than size/shape of teat was the picky point.Wry faced cows can go to VG86 here.
We was mean to the classifier , didnt have any heifers to put up so the boss put up all his high VGs(which as I said to the classifier gonna be a fun day ,hard to find 1-2 points if not in perfect bloom)
However put up 78point 7th lactation cow for STP(supior type and prod)Classifier looked at here and said youre putting me on! we laughed and said well she did the lactations and production and she is breeding on well.Please yourself.She needed to go VG all catagories especially udder Well the teat placement kept her from the VG score. We said ok if she cant go Vg can we get GP and we will get the 70,000l lifetime award down the track for her.So she finished on 81 with VG for dairy character,rump,feet and legs,capacity and g for front udder GP for rear udder.(scored 2 for both front and rear teat placement 8 for both rear udder height and width 7 for front attachment 4 for udder depth 5 for centre ligament 7 for udder texture 7 for front teat length)her pedigree - hanover hill stardom x tahora linmack laramie who was a linmack brabazon cross.
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9/12/2003, 0:41
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errolston
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Re: classifying
Interesting that you mention Hanoverhill Stardom. I have seen a lot of superb 6th/7th lactation cows by him that had matured into really high production cows. I admire the quality of their feet and legs.
What ever happened to Stardom. I remember him coming through at the same time as Raider and Skybuck, with quite a good proof initially i think. But he seemed to just disappear. Did he die prematurely? It seems unfortunate that he never had any sons tested.
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9/12/2003, 1:47
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simon powell
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Re: classifying
Broa,
It's good we agree over something.
Stardom is by far, the best bull that we have ever used!!
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9/12/2003, 11:39
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Re: classifying
our stardom daughters certainly had better temprements than any other starbuck son we used.unfortunately gina is the last one left.if I look hard there might be 10 straws somewhere in a tank.We used him because we had had goodluck with other bulls from the barb family - altho they could leave daughters on the small side.
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9/12/2003, 16:05
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Re: classifying
Since we are on the subject of Hanoverhill Stardom......if anyone knows where some is available in the US, please drop me an email, as I'd like to do a flush or two with him.
email: scotthilt79@msn.com
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9/12/2003, 21:18
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foxleigh
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Re: classifying
there are quite a few ads in the december cattle connection with"old" semen advertised. I'd try a ring around of those sellers to see.alternatively ask fellow breeders who have a history of using older semen.
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10/12/2003, 12:37
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