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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
What was the last Leduc to win at a show?? He's Done. I got a 3 month on the ground don't want another, When I look at her I think ugly duckling will she ever be a swan??? Looks more like a race horse.
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8/6/2004, 1:10
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
All ours were ugly but he can throw the good one. What about the Kamille cow of Mark Rueth's, she was 4th at Madison last year.
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8/6/2004, 1:13
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
What has he won this year. Lots of them at the show but you don't see any win!
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8/6/2004, 1:17
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
He had Jr. Champ at Expo 2002.
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8/6/2004, 2:34
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
But as for this year I don't think any winners, but a couple nominees.
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8/6/2004, 2:38
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Rosie-O was All American Sr. 2 last year. The All Canadian Sr 2 from last year was also a Leduc.
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8/6/2004, 9:52
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Indies View you forget to mention a leduc won heifer in milk class at Madison too, Md MapleLawn Leduc Rosie O Vg.(89)2yr.
Think the good ones are unreal, working with a guy who has an (88)2yr, 3rd in Agribex(European show) so cant complain. See few bad one too for that matter.
Any one have storms blow as second calvers. Seen quite a few, worrying infact.
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8/6/2004, 9:59
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Lystel Leduc is a great bull if used correctly.One thing that interests me is that i have one of Leducs 1st crop proof sheet in my draw somewhere and he has the same problems then as he does now.I will use Leduc sometime and i will have some good ones.Think i will breed them to Starbuck.
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8/6/2004, 14:00
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
For us Leduc has been consistantly bad. We have used him on all different types of cows and none have turned out to be any good. So I have a question for anyone who has had good luck with him, what type of cows does he work good on?
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8/6/2004, 21:10
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
My best cross was on a Rich-Ro Mark Sam.
But I'm still not very excited.
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9/6/2004, 9:11
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
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Any one have storms blow as second calvers. Seen quite a few, worrying infact.
phew finally got it!
wont use any storm or storm blood as he is noted for blowing udders off. Asw are herdsire sons of him. Know of a herd that had 35 storms and not one made it to 3rd calf!!
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10/6/2004, 4:17
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Mark Reuths Leduc Kamille was probably the worst Leduc at Expo I saw in milk. I think she was 7th that day and she was lucky considering how narrow she was through the chest and throught the rump. Rosie-o is a classy cow which I think has a great future ahead of her.
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10/6/2004, 4:49
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Leduc Kamille was 4th and a hell of a cow if you ask me. I forgot about Rosie-O obviously she was the best Leduc there. As for Kamille she is still a hell of a cow and also has a hell of a future ahead of her.
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10/6/2004, 17:17
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Oh hell!
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10/6/2004, 18:40
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
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What was the last Leduc to win at a show?? He's Done. I got a 3 month on the ground don't want another, When I look at her I think ugly duckling will she ever be a swan??? Looks more like a race horse.
Another First for Leduc
Show type sire extraordinaire Lystel Leduc continues to add to his lore, this time in Alberta, where for the first time a daughter was named Grand Champion at a significant show. Irwindale Leduc Macy (All-Canadian Sr. 2yr Old 2003), owned by Continental Holsteins, R & F Livestock Inc & and Dr. David Chalack, captured Grand Champion at The Alberta Dairy Congress Show held fittingly in Leduc, Alberta. Macy, a second calf Sr. 3yr Old has been fresh a month and looked every bit the part of a Champion for Judge John Crowley, Hastings, ON. Continental Spirit Evita, owned by Continental Holsteins, was named Reserve Champion.
 Irwindale Leduc Macy
1st Sr-3-yr-old & Grand Champion
Alberta Dairy Congress, Leduc, AB
I know most of you are going to say...but that is only one Leduc at the show ...you wont find another Leduc cow to stand up too her that day.But...
Sr-3-yr-Old
1. Irwindale Leduc Macy, Continental Holsteins, R&F Livestock & Dr. David Chalack
3. Lassac Leduc Darla, Dardel Holsteins & Orville Schmidt
Sr-2-yr-Old
1. Silverridge Leduc Noleta, R & F Livestock Inc
2. Continental Leduc Regal, Morsan Farms Ltd
Jr-3-yr-Old
1. Glorybound Journalist Faith, Morsan Farms Ltd
2. Raeland Leduc Wilhelmin, Dardel Holsteins & Orville Schmidt
In the Junior Classes Leduc’s presence was just as strong. Capturing Junior Champion honors was Farrow Leduc Neve, owned by Dardel Holsteins and Orville Schmidt, she was 1st Winter Yearling. Reserve Junior Champion was the first place Senior Calf, Bergeroy Taffy Lyster, exhibited by Morsan Farms Ltd.
Most of you forgot he was Premier Sire at Madision last year with only his oldest milking daughters as Sr 2 year olds.This year should be interesting with the Yearling heifers coming to milking form and last years 2 year olds turning 3.
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11/6/2004, 0:35
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
I guess like most Show type bulls they can throw the great one, But most will be less impresive.
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11/6/2004, 1:15
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
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I guess like most Show type bulls they can throw the great one, But most will be less impresive.
Or in Leduc's case not impressive at all; like every one we have had so far.
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11/6/2004, 5:47
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
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I guess like most Show type bulls they can throw the great one, But most will be less impresive.
Or in Leduc's case not impressive at all; like every one we have had so far.
I dont know why you view them as so unimpresive,I've seen alot of his daughters and to me the most impresive is there Stature I think he rates +4.22
And for good reason they are born like Giraffes, Tall Long legs and they Sprout Taller and faster than many of the bulls I've seen before.
Arethusa had a good one last year they brought out of Canada she won a Spring Show last year but was fairly stale by Madison she ended up Hon Mention All-American last year (forget her name?)I think she was close to 64" as a 2 year old.Don't think shes been mentioned. I've heard of some 2 year olds last year that are still growing.
If I where to fault him they might not body down as fast as they grow.
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11/6/2004, 17:06
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Buckeye,
It depends alot on If the boarder open up. I think Durham is deserving of the show ring,but had the boarder been open last year I think we would have seen Leduc ahead.
Simple fact is Durham couldn't be used in Canada (Health Reasons)so they wont be bringing any to help Durham.It's up to the US Breeder If he can keep up
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11/6/2004, 17:19
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
ToB the reason I am so unimpressed by him is because of the three daughters we had. We are only milking one, one we sold (because she was ugly), and the third should be calving shortly. The one we are milking is out of three generations of excellent dams with her mother being a 93 point Leadman. She is woody has a little tee cup udder with tits about 3-3 1/2 inches long and is milking about 45 pounds per day, with a peak of 65. The one that hasn't freshened yet is out of an excellent Jolt who is an 8th generation VG or E. She isn't much to look at at the moment either. So you ask why am I not impressed with Leduc? Because he ruined good cow families that's reason enough for me. Sure he can throw the good one don't get me wrong but you have to go through 1000 pickles before you can get that All-American.
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11/6/2004, 17:49
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Leduc #2 seller for Alta in Canada, not bad for a no good bull.(stupid Canadians) I have a barn full of Rubens daus, and have 3 bad ones, if they were the only 3 I had I sure wouldn't like him very much either. (I can understand your frustration Indies) I just think people exspect this bull to make show daus from every E.X cow he is bred to,and no bull will do that. Its just nonsence to say this bull is finished, show season is just getting started, look up on holstein Canadas web site, this bull is making over 35% of his daus 83 pts or better as 2yr olds IN CANADA, soooo type wise he is no crap bull at all. In 1,000 he will make 333 good ones, 333 bad ones, and 333 cows, I recon thats the same as most bulls, only Leduc makes on avg way more than most for show. Most bulls never make one show cow, and most farmers never breed one, and those who use Leduc, he is not going to instantly, make show cows on his own merit, he needs SOME help from the mat side.
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11/6/2004, 18:26
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
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Very true ToB, I hadn't thought of that. I doubt the border will be open for Madison this year, so Durham should have a good shot. It is kind of like Army and Navy having great years in college football during times of the milatary draft.
Thinking I heard of a proposal that would allow US cattle a temporary stay (2-3 week pass)to Agricultural Shows. At least It was talking about the Royal in Canada, not sure If the US will bend. I think there focus was to allow Horses to the Royal for there big International Horse Show. I wouldnt have a problem If cattle are allowed and exhibitors dont push the bounderies.
But, It might have been just a proposal
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11/6/2004, 23:26
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Leduc #2 seller for Alta in Canada, not bad for a no good bull.(stupid Canadians) I have a barn full of Rubens daus, and have 3 bad ones, if they were the only 3 I had I sure wouldn't like him very much either. (I can understand your frustration Indies) I just think people exspect this bull to make show daus from every E.X cow he is bred to,and no bull will do that. Its just nonsence to say this bull is finished, show season is just getting started, look up on holstein Canadas web site, this bull is making over 35% of his daus 83 pts or better as 2yr olds IN CANADA, soooo type wise he is no crap bull at all. In 1,000 he will make 333 good ones, 333 bad ones, and 333 cows, I recon thats the same as most bulls, only Leduc makes on avg way more than most for show. Most bulls never make one show cow, and most farmers never breed one, and those who use Leduc, he is not going to instantly, make show cows on his own merit, he needs SOME help from the mat side.
Well said Canuck,
If Leduc is Alta's #2 selling bull in Canada ...you have me stumped (Who is Alta's best bull for sales?)
By the way... I know too many Canadians personally never met a stupid one
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11/6/2004, 23:39
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Let's hope they didn't meet anyone stupid. Only kidding.
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12/6/2004, 4:50
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
In terms of sales in Northern Ireland, Leduc was sold on first crop proof in vast numbers of doses due to very strong marketing. I would guess that hardly a straw has been sold since they started milking. They certainly didn't please here overall.
I must have calved twenty+ Leduc calves, all requiring strenuous assistance. The heifers were tough, and the bulls were unbelieveable. Lost three or four of the leduc bulls in calving - a rarety here. Does anyone who has calved them really want to put their cows through that again?
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12/6/2004, 8:28
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