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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
You sholud see that Leduc now Mckeague. 63 and half inches. Transformed. Definately worh the 88 score. She will be out again in two weeks time.
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Storm has probably been one of the most over rated bulls ever. Not much point in having high pointed two year olds that blow in second lactation. Thank god some one else sees this fact.
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12/6/2004, 14:28
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
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You sholud see that Leduc now Mckeague. 63 and half inches. Transformed. Definately worh the 88 score. She will be out again in two weeks time.
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Storm has probably been one of the most over rated bulls ever. Not much point in having high pointed two year olds that blow in second lactation. Thank god some one else sees this fact.
We like every Storm we have had and not one blow bag out of about 10 daughters. They milk a lot, test high, score high, and some are show cows. What more could you want this bull did it all for us and I don't have a bad word to say about him.
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12/6/2004, 14:51
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
The only Storm that we had blow her bag 2'nd calf was out of an Inspiration. What did we expect doubling up on Inspiration? 
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13/6/2004, 6:39
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Interesting how its always, always, the bulls fault. If you go by the title of the thread, I feel there is a HUGE differance, between the Cracin Royals, Brocks, Leiutenents, Freds, ect, Than there is in the Storms, Leducs, ect, usually if you look into the pedigree of a Storm with a blown udder, Quite often the reason won't be storm at all. Same with Leduc now that it is well known what he can and can not do, if used correctly he should work fine, if not its not always the bulls fault.
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13/6/2004, 13:43
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Good point canuk; only in our case I believe it was Leduc's fault.
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13/6/2004, 17:39
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
so does this mean that the Leduc I have will more then likely rib down. Thats her problem very tall but with no gut.
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13/6/2004, 19:45
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
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ToB the reason I am so unimpressed by him is because of the three daughters we had. We are only milking one, one we sold (because she was ugly), and the third should be calving shortly. The one we are milking is out of three generations of excellent dams with her mother being a 93 point Leadman. She is woody has a little tee cup udder with tits about 3-3 1/2 inches long and is milking about 45 pounds per day, with a peak of 65. The one that hasn't freshened yet is out of an excellent Jolt who is an 8th generation VG or E. She isn't much to look at at the moment either. So you ask why am I not impressed with Leduc? Because he ruined good cow families that's reason enough for me. Sure he can throw the good one don't get me wrong but you have to go through 1000 pickles before you can get that All-American.
What is the production records on your Jolt,Leadsman,??? (the dam of the one you sold).
I tend to side with Canucks comments, If Leduc hasn't lost any in his proof numbers,In other words. Leduc was -milk first crop great type then and now.
You by chance didn't use his Dad years ago...Jed?
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13/6/2004, 22:55
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
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ToB the reason I am so unimpressed by him is because of the three daughters we had. We are only milking one, one we sold (because she was ugly), and the third should be calving shortly. The one we are milking is out of three generations of excellent dams with her mother being a 93 point Leadman. She is woody has a little tee cup udder with tits about 3-3 1/2 inches long and is milking about 45 pounds per day, with a peak of 65. The one that hasn't freshened yet is out of an excellent Jolt who is an 8th generation VG or E. She isn't much to look at at the moment either. So you ask why am I not impressed with Leduc? Because he ruined good cow families that's reason enough for me. Sure he can throw the good one don't get me wrong but you have to go through 1000 pickles before you can get that All-American.
What is the production records on your Jolt,Leadsman,??? (the dam of the one you sold).
I tend to side with Canucks comments, If Leduc hasn't lost any in his proof numbers,In other words. Leduc was -milk first crop great type then and now.
You by chance didn't use his Dad years ago...Jed?
The Leadman who was 93 points and the dam of our one milking Leduc had a top record over 26000 with over a 4% fat and I believe a 3.6 protein. The dam of the one we sold was a VG Fred (Fred could be part of the problem in this case) who made over 20000 as a two year old. The dam of the unfreshened heifer we have is an EX Jolt who is an 8th generation very good or excellent. So on our three the only time it could possibly be the cow family is the daughter of the VG Fred, but there are two VG-87 GMD DOM's behind the Fred so make what you want of it. Yes we used Jed and had poor results with him too.
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14/6/2004, 1:15
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Indies, if you used Jed and were disappointed why use his sons? If a bloodline works well for you go back again, as long as its not too much inbreeding. If it doesn't work, leave well alone.
Canuk, out of interest and not tying to make a point, what has happened to Leduc's price in Canada? Is it cheaper because of the rest of the world's opinion on the bull and that's why its getting more use?
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14/6/2004, 8:54
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Whats your Storm Mckeague.Ya good ones two like. Just back from Clonakilty yesterday, Martins storm Gail from Frawleys was champion. What a cow. Put on money with you that the Leduc is going to be 89 by next week.
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14/6/2004, 13:32
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
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Indies, if you used Jed and were disappointed why use his sons? If a bloodline works well for you go back again, as long as its not too much inbreeding. If it doesn't work, leave well alone.
Canuk, out of interest and not tying to make a point, what has happened to Leduc's price in Canada? Is it cheaper because of the rest of the world's opinion on the bull and that's why its getting more use?
Just because the bull himself doesn't work doesn't mean his sons won't. His sons are from good cow families and Jed himself was an outstanding looking bull. A wise man once said, "Animals breed to the average of their inheritance."
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14/6/2004, 14:24
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
My point exactly he was ugly, but made good daughters coming from a great family.
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14/6/2004, 14:53
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
The point is both bulls came from good cow families so they should have good daughters. I don't know why we had such bad luck with Leduc. Our milking Leduc has a maternal sister by Lee who is a very nice young cow.
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14/6/2004, 16:49
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Don't know If I would go to the extreme of calling Durham ugly.
He did have a awful picture when he was 1st released as a proven bull, not that he was ugly,looked more like he was sick and about to die.
However his latest picture was not the worst bull picture and he did end up going Excellent 90.
He was a fairly correct bull but by the picture he appeared to lack Stature and Depth and width.Seemed to be a slow maturing bull himself and wonder If that not a trait often seen in his daughters today?
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14/6/2004, 17:49
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
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The point is both bulls came from good cow families so they should have good daughters. I don't know why we had such bad luck with Leduc. Our milking Leduc has a maternal sister by Lee who is a very nice young cow.
Leduc is a Jed= Outside is a Prelude from the same Blackstar Dam (Maternal Brothers)
Same family= Lee,Leader,etc....
Durham is a Elton= Derry is a Emory from the same dam (Maternal Brothers)
Same family= Empire,Dante,etc...
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14/6/2004, 18:03
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Big Bird - been trying to find my Alta sheet, but it probably went in the trash, with the other 90% junk mail I get. Think his price is at least $45, sorry can't remember any other prices, if I find out will let you know.
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14/6/2004, 18:08
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
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The point is both bulls came from good cow families so they should have good daughters. I don't know why we had such bad luck with Leduc. Our milking Leduc has a maternal sister by Lee who is a very nice young cow.
Leduc is a Jed= Outside is a Prelude from the same Blackstar Dam (Maternal Brothers)
Same family= Lee,Leader,etc....
Durham is a Elton= Derry is a Emory from the same dam (Maternal Brothers)
Same family= Empire,Dante,etc...
Yes, I was aware of all this that's why I wondered why our Leducs turned out how they did.
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14/6/2004, 18:29
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Mckeague. Personally I would give her that score. Think han**** is doing them.
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14/6/2004, 21:34
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
You think hes soft or something?
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15/6/2004, 13:11
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Re: What Bull Sank Faster Then The Titanic?
Ya no comment from me either Mckeague. Shes gone (89)2yr too by the way.
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17/6/2004, 10:05
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