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rossymons
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Re: Local daughter pictures
Only 4 UK daughters. Very high Lifespan, but not much else.
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11/11/2008, 22:50
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howie32
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Re: Local daughter pictures
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Being able to breed commercially viable animals is the future of the Holstein breed.
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Trying to figure out why I should be breeding for commercial cows when I don't have a commercial setup. Isn't there still a place for the non-commercial cow?
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12/11/2008, 0:12
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rossymons
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Re: Local daughter pictures
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Trying to figure out why I should be breeding for commercial cows when I don't have a commercial setup. Isn't there still a place for the non-commercial cow?
Howie, you must surely have a commercial setup - you sell milk don't you?
There are only a very few farmers out there capable of breeding these high genetic cows, as ExpectingRain pointed out.
For the commercial boys (and ill class myself in that group), we require healthy animals, capable of remaining productive and profitable for as many lactations as we require from them. We're not aiming to breed the show cows.
Just because that Oman might not be capable of winning any shows, doesn't at all make her a bad cow.
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12/11/2008, 12:48
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Local daughter pictures
Had to give Expesting rain karma, at least your farming with your eyes open. unless you have less than 10 cows you are a commerical farm, there is always the heifer whos breeding is for showing but doesn't turn out that good, then what, you need to have other figures like milk solids, fertility and health traits behind it to sell it to a complete commerical operation. Bulls like Shottle, Goldwyn, Fortune, Atlas, even Jardin can fit both sides in my option and a bit of o-man would do no harm at all.
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12/11/2008, 14:31
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howie32
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Re: Local daughter pictures
Of course we sell milk, but that is not our only goal. Believe it or not, cows can pay bills in other ways. As far as the show heifer that might not turn out, that is a definite possibility. However, when you can get the good animals that have great pedigrees behind them it helps increase their chances of turning out. It is also important to us that cows have longevity. We only milk 64 cows, but we currently have 17 of those that are over 6 years of age. Also, 16 cows are over 100,000 lbs. lifetime. 9 are over 150,000lbs, 2 over 200,000 and 1 over 250,000 lbs. I would like to think that most of our cows are productive. It certainly can be nice to get some extra income from the sale of good pedigreed animals.
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12/11/2008, 15:40
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Re: Local daughter pictures
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I think that Howie is doing himself a disservice by describing his cows as "non commercial", on a set up like Long Haven, with the right facilities and management his cows must be as "commercial" as anyones. The production and longevity flow from the quality of cattle that Howie is working with, they are two sides of the same coin. I would suggest that "Commercial" is a relative term in this context.
How much are you paying him Howie!  
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12/11/2008, 20:37
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