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svennis
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Re: I have in the Tank...
Million
Bogart
O-Man
Sanchez
Ramos
Windspiel
Eleve
Leif
NOG Lanugo
on order:
Super
Xacobeo
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25/8/2009, 6:38
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EMayn088
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 Re: I have in the Tank...
In my tank I have:
Baccardi (YS) only Shottle from Goldwyn Family.
Andro: Shottle from Ms. Atlee
Javier RC: Goldwyn from Jocko Julie.
Cade: Mac from Cinderella.
I am also using some Damion sons that I think will be very good.
Just had two Lylehaven Lightnings hit the ground, they are tall and long stand out from the rest.
Also have three Spearmint daughters (not just hype) they will be able to compete on the tanbark. Eric
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25/8/2009, 22:44
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schmu2
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Re: I have in the Tank...
Lucky you, Mark day! Unable to use bulls like Mitey and Signif here in Germany...
In my tank:
Lawn Boy
Merchant
Mergim (Merv x Storm)
Hyatt
Ashlar
Calysto
YS: Boltfran (Bolton x Frantisco), Razor P (Vince x Perk Rae) and Roumare x Morty from the Bell Tammy family
om order:
Ducky P, Fortify P, Overtime P
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13/9/2009, 0:35
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Christof
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Re: I have in the Tank...
Karma for Mark and Schmu2! 
The future is polled!
If I lived in a free country, I would order Signif-P, too, and other interesting young bulls like Arron Doon Mix-Red P. But those bulls are forbidden here by law.... 
Poor Germany......
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13/9/2009, 8:09
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svennis
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Re: I have in the Tank...
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smous wrote:
Why are they not allowed, political disease?
In Germany it is not allowed to sell bulls with only a genomic proof. This is because it is only allowed to sell bulls with a minimum of 50% reliability which they have achieved by being sampled with an interbull (or was it ICAR?) approved method. As this approval obviously won`t happen before November, no genomic proven bulls will be sold here before that date.
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14/9/2009, 8:27
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Christof
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Re: I have in the Tank...
it is not only about genomic or not here in Germany. It is only allowed to use semen of a young sire that is part of the sampling programm of a German herdbook organisation. So the law forbids now all the bulls that are at German AI Centers, that are not AI Center & Herdbook in one and the use of private collected and sampled bulls.... Nearly all the big AI Centers here are AI Center & herdbook organisation in one. So they do the classifications for the daughters of their own bulls.... There are farmers here in Germany that even don´t get the German young bulls of their herdbook organisation because their herd average or herd size is not high enough! Not the right way in my eyes!
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3/10/2009, 16:40
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svennis
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Re: I have in the Tank...
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Christof wrote:
There are farmers here in Germany that even don´t get the German young bulls of their herdbook organisation because their herd average or herd size is not high enough! Not the right way in my eyes!
Testing in very small herds makes no sense at all! You need enough contemporary animals calving in the same herd and season to calculate reliable indices. Daughters in herds with few contemporary animals deliver nearly no information for breeding value estimation. Bearing in mind that testing one bull costs roughly about 25,000€ why should AI companies waste their money with testing bulls in herds where their daughters would contribute nearly nothing to the bulls breeding value.
Furthermore it also makes no sense to test bulls in low yielding herds (average e.g. 6500 kg). In these herds the genetic differences between the animals won`t become apparent enough, because the best cow probably yields 7500kg and the worst maybe 5500kg. In higher averaging herds the genetic differences will become more apperent and therefore the estimated breeding values will be more accurate.
By the way restricting young sire sampling to certain herds is not only done in Germany. Many other international AI organisations are doing this and often much more restrictive. Look at Alta... CRI announced to reduce the amount of cooperator herds and Acclerated and Select Sires also have special cooperator herds. To cite the prerequisites for being a PGA herd you should have at least 40 cows and an average or higher production in the area in which you herd is located.
In my opinion there is much more room to optimise German breeding programs in terms of testing efficiency! Apart from that I agree with you that a neutral classification system should be established. I think I already mentioned this somewhere on this board before.
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7/10/2009, 17:18
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POSAL
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Adding some Scooby Duu
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29/10/2009, 11:46
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BrokerMandy
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…I have in my tank
Damion
Advent
Lheros
Jasper
Bolton
Dundee
Asteroid (Goldwyn x Ashlyn)
Wedgewood Laramie
Fieldhouse Redlou (Talent x Red Marker)
Pheonix (Goldwyn x Pledge)
Contender
Jersey...
Ratliff Justice MVP
Shamrock Giller
Select-Scott Minister
Bridon Remake Comerica
Griffens Governor
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16/11/2009, 16:20
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karin123
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Re: I have in the Tank...
Sanchez
Alexander
Million
Pronto
Damion
Laurin
Dundee
Braxton
Atlantic
Atwood
Copenhagen
Onyx
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17/11/2009, 10:40
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fraser6
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Re: I have in the Tank...
Tartini
Shottle
Garrett
Loader
Dynamite (YS)
Just finished
Hayden
Jeeves
Xacobeo
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21/11/2009, 19:14
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JEB12
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Planet (almost gone)
Bronco
Jeeves (almost gone)
Les
Dorne (almost gone)
Mac
Super
Freddie
Boxer
Domain
Cole
Al (almost gone)
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21/11/2009, 23:37
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POSAL
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Damion
Mtoto
Royalist
Scooby Duu
Million
Laurin
Bolivia
Goldwyn
Shottle
Bolton
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23/11/2009, 8:35
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Boyd34
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Re: I have in the Tank...
Shottle
Garrison
Ashmore
Dragon
Eight
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23/11/2009, 22:54
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Sleepy19
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Re: I have in the Tank...
Talent
Shottle
Aftershock
Destry
Amazing
Tartini
Lavengaurd
Leader
Romero (omanxdurham raven)
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26/11/2009, 20:55
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