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Young Sires to watch (your choice)
One sire I am going to watch closely is..
Gaige Eland Thunder, out of the EX 97 Tamara. I have a daughter from thunder, and she is a one nice looking heifer. Long body, nice dairy character. The owner of Thunder said he saw some of the daughters and they do look good, now sure he sells semen. But I too have a daughter, and as I said, she looks good. Should see some daughters next spring into the summer, maybe sooner. Depends who used him, and when. Here are his dams stats.
Gaige Highlight Tamara 2E 95 EEEEE (now 97 @ 9yrs)
4-9 2x 365d 33740 3.9 1299 3.0 1007
Reserve All -American Aged Cow 2002
Reserve All-American Sr 2 Yr Old 1998
1st International Holstein Show Champion Bred & Owned 2002
2nd International Holstein Show 6 Yrs & Over 2002
Edit: Was told that one of thunders sisters scored EX92 recently at a farm in western NY.
Always a risk with a young sire, but I might get some semen, for what he is going for its a risk worth takeing.
Your turn 
Jeff
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Re: Young Sires to watch (your choice)
Comestar Maestro
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7/10/2005, 19:28
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Re: Young Sires to watch (your choice)
Maestro somewhere around 57% GP and above in Canada.
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7/10/2005, 23:00
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Re: Young Sires to watch (your choice)
The young sires i am watching at the moment are Markwell Durham Ryme,Honeycrest Elegant,Rockali Bradley,Cook-Farm Force,Mr Mazda,and Ocean-View Eland Zebra.
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21/10/2005, 15:17
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Re: Young Sires to watch (your choice)
Do you all think Eland is sire father material?
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21/10/2005, 17:41
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Right up there with DT Queensmanor Marksman.
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21/10/2005, 20:16
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Yep, i agree Buckeye!
I really think Budjons Elegance / Electra family is going to come up with something special. We probably need to use a bull with an infusion of dairy character to go onto the best line. Not saying they aren't dairy - just that to get a decent bull you need a sire father not a purely show cow constructor.
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21/10/2005, 21:27
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FOUR-OF-A-KIND ELAND-ET TV TL EX-94
Sire: Mjr Blackstar Emory-ET TV TL EX-97 GM
Dam: Holtex S-Wind Milki-ET TL EX-91 3E GMD DOM
3-05 2x 365d 30,290m 3.7% 1106f 3.1% 924p
MGS: Southwind Bell OF Bar-Lee CV TL TD EX-93 GM
MGD: Holtex Steady Milker-ET VG-85 DOM
3-01 2x 365d 25,610m 4.0% 1035f 3.3% 853p
MGGS: Tri-Town Steady Spipper TV TL TD EX-90 GM
MGGD: Holtex Nugget P Milky EX-90 GMD DOM
3-03 2x 365d 30,350m 4.0% 1222f 3.2% 963p
Here is another bull from Tamara, sired by Eland.
http://www.jlgenterprises.com/toughtree.htm
Gaige eland TOUGH.
Goint to be interesting to see who is better, Tough or Thunder. Considering they are both from the same sire, and dam.
Decided to take a look see. Tough classified 92, Thunder classified 85, he is a year older, should have a proof sometime soon.
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22/10/2005, 6:10
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Re: Young Sires to watch (your choice)
The first proven Eland son does not look very nice at all may be it is the Mascot behind him.His name is Regancrest-Ks Emmot his type score is -0.06.The 2 Eland sons i am watching for this time are Court-Sollien Mr Eland (ElandXJuror) and Far-R-La Elnd Brina Brandon (ElandxTesk Terry)
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22/10/2005, 15:53
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Re: Young Sires to watch (your choice)
Eland .. reminds of being at the seaside as a young kid. You know them things we used to ride up and down the beach on .. believe they were called donkeys.
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22/10/2005, 18:09
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Re: Young Sires to watch (your choice)
I saw about 20 calves from a Young bulls:
Outside x VG-88 (going EX) Donay x EX-90 G.M.D. (3rd & Best Udder in the class Cremona 1997) Jed x EX-93 Ned Boy x EX-93 Cutlass
Impressive calves!
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24/10/2005, 10:41
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Mine
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24/10/2005, 18:27
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Re: Young Sires to watch (your choice)
Now there's a surprise.
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24/10/2005, 20:39
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Young Sires to watch (your choice)
I know, just kidding, It's because I don't think it is easy to understand if a young bull will be good or not.
I think that only when a bull has over 100 dtrs in 100 herds you can start to understand something.
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25/10/2005, 10:14
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Re: Young Sires to watch (your choice)
I agree posal. I think it takes at least 100 herds to get some idea of a bulls true genetic worth.
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29/10/2005, 1:49
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quote:
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Yep, i agree Buckeye!
I really think Budjons Elegance / Electra family is going to come up with something special. We probably need to use a bull with an infusion of dairy character to go onto the best line. Not saying they aren't dairy - just that to get a decent bull you need a sire father not a purely show cow constructor.
Found this one in a recent brochure.
Budjon Eastwood
Durham x Budjon Encore Electra Ex95 x Krull B Elegance Ex97. Now that looks hot!
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29/10/2005, 7:32
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already used a full bro from ABS!
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29/10/2005, 8:06
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Young Sires to watch (your choice)
Simple rules of thumb to have success with young sires:
1. 3 gen EX (VG88-89 on a 2yr old score)
2. 3 gens with at least 30,000lbs
3. At least one GMD brood cow in those first 3 gens, preferably with 125,000 lbs+
4. Sire must not be a white hot index bull. (Too much chance for the sire to fail before the son has a chance.)
I use these guidelines and return about 50% to the active lineup in some form. You will be surprised to find how few of the young sires sampled meet these criteria.
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Re: Young Sires to watch (your choice)
Sometimes it seems the key is to get a family at the peak, before the enviromental effects start to extrapolate over too many generations. With type cows the original show cow seems to have better sons(I am not saying always) than her granddaughters that seem to look much better on paper. With index cows the same way, the first generations of eliteness are many times better bull mothers than the following generations after they calve once, live in a box stall and are flushed forever for several generations in a row. Certain cow famalies tend to rule the CTPI list in the us yet seldom produce top sires( I can think of one that has consisently good first crop daughters but every one has crashed and burned as the daughters calved a second time) as the records and the scores aren't grounded in reality anymore.
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30/10/2005, 18:20
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Re: Young Sires to watch (your choice)
I view young sires in a different way to most people most will say a young sire is a failer because he came out with a bad proof.I think more of the lines of the bull was a failer the day the mating was made.So matings are more important than phnotype of the cow because everybody judges a bull on his genetics not what he looks like.Any cow can have a decent son regardles of type or production so if u are testing from only EX cows this to me will not harvest the new and potential great sires that we require.If every stud in the world only used 2nd crop crop bulls then they would be able to test less and prove twice as many good ones because they know more about the sires than before.This will result in greater breed progress and cheaper semen costs to all.
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Yeah, the shock is almost too much for me!!!! Hmmmm, I saw about 12 heifers due to calf this coming spring by a bull called Thunderstorm, they look pretty good, awful shame we beefed him 12 months ago!!!! 
