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I think it's a matter of flexability musically speakin Tony Ashton helped Lord
flex in an area that you obviously can't appreciate,what's wrong with Purple members doing other styles of music?
I understand you didn't like it but it
obviously wasn't meant for you to listen to.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with flexability, and my opinion is almost the opposite. I don't believe Ashton helped Lord with a damn thing in the area of flexability, it was likely the other way around. In my non-humble opinion,Lord's too much of a gentleman to ever say it like I just did, though. I think it was done as more of a lark, and Ashton was there because he was Lord's friend, not for any outstanding musical ability or flexability. And let's not fool ourselves - having Lord's name on the album was surer that **** stinks a guarantee of much higher sales than just Ashton's would've been. So, once again, possibly a friendly gesture to help a guy out with some royalty checks - which is no crime. It doesn't make it a good album, though.
And it's not that I "can't" appreciate it - I DON'T appreciate it. Look at it like this, I appreciate Michael Jackson's talents and abilities as an artist - I just don't appreciate how he expresses those talents.
There's nothing wrong with members of Deep Purple doing other styles of music. If it's a style I don't like or particularly care for, then the fact it's a current or former member of Deep Purple performing it isn't going to be enough to make me change my mind about it. Just because Blackmore "borrowed" and altered a Glenn Miller riff, for example, isn't gonna make me a Glenn Miller or big band music fan. A slight variation from what we're talking about, and I could probably come with a better example of what I mean, but I'm gonna trust that you'll get my drift.
You're right, I didn't like it much (let's say a 3, maybe a 4 out of a 10 rating), but I didn't know it wasn't meant for me 'til after I geard it.
Perhaps the cover should've been a warning!?! 
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Re: Want to buy "First Of The Big Bands"
Tony Ashton was a fine musician in his own right,it would definetly take some flexability for you to agree with that.
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but what kind of music is it? is it really bigband-music with a bigband and all? or just al smallpeace-band playing bigband-kinda stuff?
Pretty much...some r'n b...don't expect much remotely resembling Deep Purple would be my sage advice. Good music - for what it is...
don't get me wrong, i love bigband music!
i play the trumpet in a bigband! (and blackers inspired me to play the guitar in my own rockband so i live in both worlds now)
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Tony Ashton was a fine musician in his own right,it would definetly take some flexability for you to agree with that.
Not in my view...just takes a lack of good taste to agree with the view he was a fine musician.
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Re: Want to buy "First Of The Big Bands"
I take it you own a great deal of his work then.
You obviously know nothing of him but
some thing's w/Lord and Paice.
Atleast thats's how it sound's to me.
Please reply and you can have the last word about a fine artist who's work you know very little of and only know of because of his association with Lord and Paice.
I'm done with this one and I rest my case. 
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Re: Want to buy "First Of The Big Bands"
Find a more solid basis for an argument than that tired "You gotta hear a great deal of an artist's work to have an informed opinion", please. It's tired and full of holes. Also, it has echoes of a double standard, and I think you know it.
I don't have to listen to a lot of Ashton's work to know I don't like what I've heard, and I'm not about to waste time and money having an opinion I already have substantiated further. I'm familiar with his work with Family - and it wasn't impressive, at least to me. The guy was a poor vocalist and a mediocre keyboard player.
This attempt is one of your feeblest yet. So, I do agree it's best to "rest your case" in this one...seing as one doesn't exist. 
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Re: Want to buy "First Of The Big Bands"
Your opinion is only as broad as your knowlege which in this case is so narrow
you can't see straight. 
Now I'm really out of here to put on some Ashton Gardner and Dyke.
Wonderful Mature and soothing stuff it is indeed.
Do you get the impression that I like Tony Ashton because I'm seasoned by his body of work yet MrEd?
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You like them because of the Purple connection and refuse to admit you made a mistake, is all. 
Talk about narrow!
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Re: Want to buy "First Of The Big Bands"
Not so
I have all the works of Tony because of my
old piano teacher friend that turned me on to him in 1978 and told me he had worked with Lord and Paice,he played me some TA stuff before I got an 8track of FOTBB,which if you recognose that I didn't respond to the post in this thread about if it's any good or not because to this day I have not heard that one,cause unfortunatlely I don't have anything but that old 8track and never owned a player.
I remember my Dad having one in his van but he took it out around 1979 or so.
My favorite PAL album btw is
Malice In Wonderland.
I have also enjoyed the documentary film
called "Lifespan" that dealt with the
auditons held by PAL,a very informative film that deals with the way to go about finding true talent,through holding good old fashioned auditions.
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Not so
I have all the works of Tony because of my
old piano teacher friend that turned me on to him in 1978 and told me he had worked with Lord and Paice,he played me some TA stuff before I got an 8track of FOTBB,which if you recognose that I didn't respond to the post in this thread about if it's any good or not because to this day I have not heard that one,cause unfortunatlely I don't have anything but that old 8track and never owned a player.
I remember my Dad having one in his van but he took it out around 1979 or so.
My favorite PAL album btw is
Malice In Wonderland.
I have also enjoyed the documentary film
called "Lifespan" that dealt with the
auditons held by PAL,a very informative film that deals with the way to go about finding true talent,through holding good old fashioned auditions.
"Because he worked with Lord + Paice" - you give the game away, my friend!
Agreed that you didn't say anything definite about "First Of The Big Bnads" but you certainly gave the impression you were familiar with it, or had heard it before,. This last post makes the fact you've never heard it crystal clear.
I didn't particularly care for PAL, either...or the Ian Gillan Band's first 2 and a half albums, or almost any of Glover's solo stuff. The Purple connection doesn't guarantee quality - at least to me.
I will wholeheartedly agree about the tried and true - and arguably best - way to find talent...through good old fashioned auditioning. A better method has yet to be discovered, in my non-humble opinion.
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