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KillerBananas
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During the last couple of years I've been falling in love with Engl amps because I love the Blackmore ninties sound they can create. I have the Blackmore Signature amp, and it's an excellent amp if you want that Blackmore sound.

Well, my only problem seems to be that I can't use my Engl with the band I'm in right now. We play a lot of different styles, and the Engl is probebly ment for a little harder music.

Solution? I just bought a Marshall 1987X (50 watts) with a Marshall (slanted) Vintage cab (with 4x12" Celestion greenbacks). I know it will work in my band since I've had a few Marshalls earlier. I thought the Engl would work, but sadly it didn't.

As you probably know, the reissues don't have a master volume. If you want distortion, you have to play extremely loud or use a stomp box. But...here's the interesting stuff! Seems like Z.Vex has found a solution. Check this out:

http://media1.zvex.com/boxofrock.mov

It's made for Marshalls, and to me it sounds like a Marshall on full volume! The Boost function also sound great.

What do you think? Way to go?

Btw, to be able to afford the Marshall I had to sell the Engl and my Fender Blackmore Signature emoticon

On the bright side, I'm now a happy owner of a Marshall once again emoticon

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Keep tellin' yer....u should've got a Blue Tone. All that vintage Marshall tone in a 30W single combo set up....no need to blow the windows out to get that tone....and not a valve in sight!

Look out for one on ebay or whatever. You wont be disappointed.

It always amazes me that so many players want to own a 50w or a 100w Marshall when, in all honesty, they will never get to play in a place where such power is required. So what do they do? They stick a load of digital or solid state effects in the sound chain. Result? Well, it wont be the pure sound of a Marshall you'll hear, that's for sure!

We used to sell Blue Tones to guys who found that even a 3w valve amp was too bloody loud at home. Trouble is, as you say, to make a Marshall sound great on its own, you need to crank it up....that's why we made the Blue Tone!

Ah, well, maybe one day, the penny will drop, eh?



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Keep tellin' yer....u should've got a Blue Tone. All that vintage Marshall tone in a 30W single combo set up....no need to blow the windows out to get that tone....and not a valve in sight!

Look out for one on ebay or whatever. You wont be disappointed.

It always amazes me that so many players want to own a 50w or a 100w Marshall when, in all honesty, they will never get to play in a place where such power is required. So what do they do? They stick a load of digital or solid state effects in the sound chain. Result? Well, it wont be the pure sound of a Marshall you'll hear, that's for sure!

We used to sell Blue Tones to guys who found that even a 3w valve amp was too bloody loud at home. Trouble is, as you say, to make a Marshall sound great on its own, you need to crank it up....that's why we made the Blue Tone!

Ah, well, maybe one day, the penny will drop, eh?




A Koch powerbrake would let you keep the Marshallsound (I used to have one), and you wont have to play loud to get distortion.

Effects? Well, you're going to use them no matter what amp you're using. Depends on what music you're playing...



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Nope, I don't use any effects at all, just an ESP and a Blue Tone. Roll the volume right up for solos, roll it back down for anything else. Simple, and the way most players used to do it many moons ago (Blackmore included). It sounds like a Strat through a vintage Marshall. That's it.

Powerbreakers do make a difference. It must do. What our amp designer did (and as he also designs the best live consoles in the world he knows what he's doing), is put that vintage sound in a small combo. So, if I want to play in a pub with me little Blue Tone, I can. And, if I play in a large arena, which I did when I played at Telford Arena a few years ago now, the amp was miked up throught the P.A., and the sound was gorgeous.

Here's the review from Guitar Player. I really wouldn't like to disagree with a single word!!

http://guitarplayer.com/article/blue-tone-pro/Aug-05/12038

Whether or not anyone chooses to believe the hype is of no concern to me, as we no longer manufacture the amp. But when the Guitar Player reviewer claims that the Blue Tone sounds more authentic than some replica tube powered Marshalls, he's telling it as it is.

I repeat, what is the point in a wheeling in a 50w half stack into a pub? I can carry my Blue Tone and my guitar at the same time, without damaging my back.

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1) Nope, I don't use any effects at all, just an ESP and a Blue Tone. Roll the volume right up for solos, roll it back down for anything else. Simple, and the way most players used to do it many moons ago (Blackmore included). It sounds like a Strat through a vintage Marshall. That's it.

2) Powerbreakers do make a difference. It must do.

What our amp designer did (and as he also designs the best live consoles in the world he knows what he's doing), is put that vintage sound in a small combo. So, if I want to play in a pub with me little Blue Tone, I can. And, if I play in a large arena, which I did when I played at Telford Arena a few years ago now, the amp was miked up throught the P.A., and the sound was gorgeous.

Here's the review from Guitar Player. I really wouldn't like to disagree with a single word!!

http://guitarplayer.com/article/blue-tone-pro/Aug-05/12038

3) Whether or not anyone chooses to believe the hype is of no concern to me, as we no longer manufacture the amp.

4) But when the Guitar Player reviewer claims that the Blue Tone sounds more authentic than some replica tube powered Marshalls, he's telling it as it is.

5) I repeat, what is the point in a wheeling in a 50w half stack into a pub? I can carry my Blue Tone and my guitar at the same time, without damaging my back.

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First of all, I haven't heard of the amp you're talking about. Glad you like it emoticon

1) I use different effects because we play music inspired by Pink Floyd, Dire Straits, Madrugada and the likes. Sometimes I need Tremolo, Chorus, Delay etc. I'm not out to get the Blackmore sound. Been there, done that! I wanted a clean amp and good effects.

2) All things make a difference, but the Koch powerbrake didn't do much to the sound from my Marshall JTM45, except makin' it less loud.

3) I wouldn't say you're lieing emoticon

4) Like a hundred other reviewers say about other amps copying Marshall... He may be right, I don't know since I've never tried the amp.

5) I don't do pubs, so that's no problem for me emoticon

If it's a problem for you that I bought the Marshall, just...let it out! emoticon

Anyway, I've never been much of a "combo man". I want stacks!!! Comboes comes as a bonus emoticon

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No, of course I've no problem with people buying a Marshall!

What places do you play?

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What places do you play?




For the timebeing, in our rehersalroom emoticon

We're only doing selfmade stuff, so we're taking our time to arrange it, and since a few of us are parents for children aged between 1-11 years, we're in no position to travel far and often.

I used to do pubs when I was in a two piece "troubadur band", and I guess, in the future, we might do some pubs with the current band too. Not many pubs here that want anything else than Irish drinking songs though....

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Best of luck with it!

Irish drinking songs? I play in an Irish folk rock band, as well as a blues band. Could you get us a gig? (Personally, I'm not a great fan of Irish songs but it's a gig, eh).

Seriously though, I really would recommend you look out for one of our old Blue Tone amps. Try one if you get the chance. I rehearsed with it last night - it's got so many sweet spots!



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Keep tellin' yer....u should've got a Blue Tone. All that vintage Marshall tone in a 30W single combo set up....no need to blow the windows out to get that tone....and not a valve in sight!

Look out for one on ebay or whatever. You wont be disappointed.

It always amazes me that so many players want to own a 50w or a 100w Marshall when, in all honesty, they will never get to play in a place where such power is required. So what do they do? They stick a load of digital or solid state effects in the sound chain. Result? Well, it wont be the pure sound of a Marshall you'll hear, that's for sure!

We used to sell Blue Tones to guys who found that even a 3w valve amp was too bloody loud at home. Trouble is, as you say, to make a Marshall sound great on its own, you need to crank it up....that's why we made the Blue Tone!

Ah, well, maybe one day, the penny will drop, eh?




Btw, why don't they produce the Blue Tone anymore? What happend?



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Ooooh, that's a long story...but here goes.

Well, there was only ever 2 of us at Blue Tone. It was a design and marketing amp company. We had the amp assembled elsewhere - believe it or not, lots of amp companies have product assembled away from their own factory premises - I can name lots, but I wont.

Anyway, the company assembling our amps decided to cease manufacturing and go to China to have their own products 'badged' out there. There are companies here and, say, in Germany, that sell identical 'made in China' products assembled in the same factory, but have their own company badge on the product.

Anyway, we were far too small to interest a Chinese manufacturer. The logistics of going to China ourselves, setting it all up again, etc etc well, as we both have full-time jobs here in the UK...! We tried to get another UK based assembler, but the price was just too high.

Example of logistical nightmares? - one UK company that 'moved' to China had a container load of amps shipped to the UK, only to find that none of the reverb units worked! They had to re-employ UK staff to open every box and fix the reverb units. Their sales and technical staff have to make 4 weekly visits to the Chinese manufacturer. We simply weren't big enough to contemplate any of that!

Don't forget, Celestion also moved to China not long after we set up - so we were having Celestion Vintage 30 speakers shipped from China to have them fitted here at UK costs.

I really enjoyed it all though. We played numerous Guitar shows, to demo the amp at Wembley, Birmingham NEC, Newcastle, Liverpool, etc etc, and made loads of friends along the way,so I suppose you can say it was a very enjoyable 'hobby extension'.

The amp won so many plaudits, and we sold loads of them world wide. It was great making a racket in our stall, while round the corner Guthrie Govan, Jerry Donahue, etc were demoing for other companies, too. I met some great folk, like Bernie Marsden, Micky Moody, Uli Jon Roth, Mick Box,John Jorgenson....and Pete Townshend bought one and gave us a great endorsement, too.

Mr B wouldn't reply to my emails!

It was all a bit like guitar heaven, really!

But meanwhile, back in the real world...........I'm still in the same job I have been in for 16 years (it would amuse BTN to know what that job is!), still gigging, still composing (I will inflict some of it on you one day!)....
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