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As mijfenders said, you have to adjust the RBTC to suit your pu's so it doesen't affect the volume control so much. Believe me, I've done a lot of adjusting before I found "my sound". Works like a dream, and both my Strat and Tele sounds amazing.
Yeah, you need to do that with everything. With effects, too: experiment. Rarely a gadget just sounds 'good' or 'bad' with every setting.
Which reminds me of MIJF's advert in YouTube. You know, where we supposedly hear a 'clean' Strat, then the same guitar with MTC on, and then with RBTC on. The point of the advert is to suggest MTC does absolutely nothing.
I'm sure every attempt was made to get the most of the rival product, as demonstrated by the laconic picking before the RBTC is switched on (or so we are told)! 
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21/9/2009, 10:25
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Re: Rainbow Eyes/Kill The King jam
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As mijfenders said, you have to adjust the RBTC to suit your pu's so it doesen't affect the volume control so much. Believe me, I've done a lot of adjusting before I found "my sound". Works like a dream, and both my Strat and Tele sounds amazing.
Yeah, you need to do that with everything. With effects, too: experiment. Rarely a gadget just sounds 'good' or 'bad' with every setting.
Which reminds me of MIJF's advert in YouTube. You know, where we supposedly hear a 'clean' Strat, then the same guitar with MTC on, and then with RBTC on. The point of the advert is to suggest MTC does absolutely nothing.
I'm sure every attempt was made to get the most of the rival product, as demonstrated by the laconic picking before the RBTC is switched on (or so we are told)!
Well, let's hope Stratman70 will be able to put up some samples, sooner than later, to compare the two.
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21/9/2009, 12:52
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Hi folks. Well I just got my MTC fitted today.
Firstly I would like to say thatI definately dont want to get involved in any mud slinging. I like both products.
Yes, I know it was a lot of money, but I had to try it. This thing definately works and I am pleased to say I am happy with the sound. It is more metallic than the RBTC. It is similar in that it gives the sound a lift when the volume is not on full. I like the RBTC as well. The difference is the RBTC boosts the low frequencies whereas the MTC gives the neck pickup a more glassy tone. This suits my rosewood fretboard strat with gold sensors well. I think the RBTC would work best warming up a bright sounding maple neck strat.Will be fitting it to my malmsteen strat. The MTC suits an already wanrm sounding strat to give it a more translucent sound, especially on the neck. It does not make the bridge pickup too trebilly either, but seems to give it a bit of a boost when the volume is down. Will try and sort out some sound clips. Both units are very subtle.I think the most impressive thing of all is the BSM California pedal I have been using which I cant say enough good things about.
I have also just tried the picato RB77 strings for the first time as well and think these are definately the way forward. Considering these are like 11s 10s and 9s combined they are really nice and easy to play - and I normally use 9s!!!!! This strat is really nice for its low tension anyway tho, so they might not be as good and some of my other strats. They really suit this guitar tho.
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21/9/2009, 17:06
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CreamStrat: For what it's worth the RB77's appear to work well with Strats with 21 frets where they deliver a really nice loose tension, with 22 fret strats they don't feel nearly as nice and tighten up significantly. I've also had them on an old 335 I have here and they are absolutely brilliant, equally so on a Les Paul, but not too pleasant on an SG. Dwoubtless all down to scale lengths and such like, but on a 21 fret stat, very hard to beat. If you swap the high E for a Picato 9 they work even better.
Regards the RBTC and the MTC( assuming you wire it per the Dawk Diagram) BOTH of these devices are designed to do NOTHING when the guitar volume is on FULL, they are effectively out of the circuit. In the case of the RBTC the lower the volume on the guitar the greater the effect the RBTC will have. Mostly I have my guitar volume at between 1 and 3 on a 10 scale, so barely on really. If you want to be sure the RBTC is working adjust it's setting to full on and test it, you'll hear it, there's nothing subtle about it in that mode!! Thereafter it's better backed off just to the point where it is audible but not obtrusive. Ask KB he's adjusted his, he'll tell you how he does it to get the sweet spot. Also the RBTC works best where the guitar goes right in the front of the amp. Some pedals and the BSM California is one, basically is reducing the frequencies the RBTC boosts, so they work against each other. Try using your amp and putting the BSM pedal in the FX loop, assuming they work they way, some do some don't. It should give you a more natural sound overall,beucase you are adding the drive later in the signal, so it should also be much less noisey.
As a side note the red/black wires in your MTC replace the capacitor in your guitar with another one of the same value, so if you adjust your tone controls this will have the same effect as your original capacitor. The 2 white wires which are across the volume control mean that, regardless of some of the rubbish you may have read about having the MTC on the neck only, the MTC is "working" on ALL your pickups. The only bit that is "pickup specific" is the Red/Black wire, because they do the same thing, and are connected to the same pickups, as the normal capacitor. Some people claim they have wired the MTC to their Jack Socket so it's always on, it's total nonsense, but they beleive it! The RBTC is also connected to all your pickups because it uses the volume control as well, although for a different reason from the MTC.
Hope this makes sense!
As with Stratman, if you can make clips, then make some with just your guitar going direct to the desk, using no amps at all, that will give you a much more accurate rendition of what the units actually do, or don't do.
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21/9/2009, 22:57
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Re: Rainbow Eyes/Kill The King jam
the mtc and rbtc are both PASSIVE devices..they BOOST NOTHING!
they only cut/filter frequences.
heres a diagram how the rothstein mid range works on all pups.
http://www.guitar-mod.com/wiring/strat_sec.gif
the cap on the master tone is the same as the mtc and rbtc's other 'circuit'.
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so what exactly does the 2nd circuit in the RBTC do then?
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21/9/2009, 23:10
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Stratobastard: All this knowledge, most impressive but YAWN with regard to your claims about how the RBTC is a copy of the MTC, that's really OLD news and been done to death years ago. It's entirely incorrect of course. You need to find something a bit better than that to excite the punters around here. Just so you're aware I'll point out the VERY obvious flaw in the argument for you,in case you are struggling with it. Usually the claim goes "the RBTC doesn't work" quickly followed by "RBTC is an indentical copy of the MTC". So logically if the RBTC don't work neither does the MTC! I'm assuming you're not as moronic as the usual poster/fanboy who uses that argument, tho time will doubtless tell.
Regards the pictures, yeah I'd love to see your un-gooped RBTC, that will be amusing, if you have an MTC too you should post it as well. BUT don't worry of you don't have an ungooped MTC picture to post, because as soon as you have posted the RBTC one's I'll feel entirely obliged to follow them up with the similar pictues of the MTC. Then it will be easy for people to see that the RBTC and MTC are actully NOT identical copies and never were.
You seem to favour the RG500D, which prompts the thought that perhaps you are "Andy" and you're just here to push your wares, hence all the comments about pricing and the concidential timing of your arrival. That would be most amusing. Again I'm sure time will tell.
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I agree, the RB77s will definately be better with low tension scale length guitars.I thought I would be tempted to change the high E too a 9 but it actually feels ok with the 10 im pleased to say.
I agree, both the devices are definately more noticeable the more you turn the volume down. The MTC is also working on all pickup. I just dont have a tone control connected to the brdge.
The devices may not 'boost' sound overall but there is a definate lift when they are switched on. So they must restore some of the volumee which is cut by turning the volume down. Something is happening with the way in which they interact with the volume control.
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22/9/2009, 0:18
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dunno why you slag the mtc all the time mij when the rbtc is a copy of the said device.
im also amazed why you take the piss about the mtc's 2 circuits..which one of them is just a capacitor
when the rbtc has the same 2 circuits!!
ive got photos of a ungooped rbtc if anyone wants a look.
the rbtc is just a LCR circuit consisting of a choke/inductor, a resistor, and a capacitor.
oh and the other circuit is just a cap as said.
the mtc is massivly overpriced, the rbtc not so much. but then the torres or rothstein mid shapers are well cheap, albeit the cap values might need reducing.
"people who live in glass houses should not throw stones"
As long as, in my case, the RBTC works as described, I don't care what's in it. The sound is the important part.
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mij, no im not andy, im not pushing no wares..pity you cant say the same eh?
so you have a ungooped mtc LOL
you really insult everyones intelligence here by denying you reverse engineered the mtc, i dont have a problem with that by the way. no patent means fair game i say, and this happens all the time with stomp pedals.
does the rbtc have 2 circuits?
yes it does.
is 1 of those circuits just a loop with a capacitor on it?
oh yes indeed! the same circuit you love to slag off so much about the mtc lol.
anyway, ive no desire to get into conversation with you as your a compulsive liar. i just want to enlighten the other members to the absolute bollox you write.
and heres a link to a jpeg showing your 2 'circuits'
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4kdfib
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so what exactly does the 2nd circuit in the RBTC do then?
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mij, no im not andy, im not pushing no wares..pity you cant say the same eh?
so you have a ungooped mtc LOL
you really insult everyones intelligence here by denying you reverse engineered the mtc, i dont have a problem with that by the way. no patent means fair game i say, and this happens all the time with stomp pedals.
does the rbtc have 2 circuits?
yes it does.
is 1 of those circuits just a loop with a capacitor on it?
oh yes indeed! the same circuit you love to slag off so much about the mtc lol.
anyway, ive no desire to get into conversation with you as your a compulsive liar. i just want to enlighten the other members to the absolute bollox you write.
and heres a link to a jpeg showing your 2 'circuits'
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4kdfib
StratoBastard:I hope you can prove your claims, namely that I am a "compulsive liar" and that "I reverse engineered the MTC". Neither of these are true and you will have serious difficulty proving either. These comments are simply and blatantly libelous and isn't something that should be posted on a public forum. Incidentially the picture you have posted is not from an RBTC, somewhat predictably. YOu claim you jsut want to "enlighten other members" but really you are just here to make unfounded and unsubstantiated defamatory claims which have no basis is fact at all.
Incidentially to make the cliams you do, you would need to know exactly waht is in the MTC, and I'd bet you basically do not have this knowledge.
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