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Creamstrat
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Well folks, for those who havent heard it, here is the MTC. Im playing with the guitar volume right down so you can here the lift whenever it is switched on. You can tell when its on because the tone has more zing.

It starts off with it switched on. I then switch it off to play the riff again. Then back on again for 'Smooth Dancer'. By now you can tell the difference. You can really hear the 'metal' of the strings - almost like SRV - that type of tone you get when the gain is turned right down. Metalic is how Dawk describes it and I definately agree. Hopefully you can hear what I mean.

I have got it set so you can notice the most difference. In practice I would normally have my guitar volume up more and the difference would be more subtle. Here you can definately here the difference. Without it the tone seems a bit lifeless. and this is a great sounding guitar with great pickups. You just notice that it doenst sound as good without it. For my taste anyway. Have now been playing this thing for a few weeks and have got used to it. It is definately good to have an on-off switch. For really quiet parts , if I have a high gain pedal/amp sound and want a reaIly clean sound controlled from the guitar, I switch it off. Equally it soounds really good without a high gain sound, for those more softer 'catch the rainbow' tones.

It is also really good for something like 'No No No'. I know RB wasnt using it then, but Im just giving an example of a riff where it really shines. I should have played that when I think about it! 'Rat bat Blue' is another also makes the point as well.

Im using RPA Major, Engl Blackmore, Picato 77's (these are ace!), gold lace, MIJ scalloped strat

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=994171&songID=8177848

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Sounds good, and yes- you can hear the difference!

About time someone put up a clip that shows the difference between on/ off emoticon

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Well folks, for those who havent heard it, here is the MTC. Im playing with the guitar volume right down so you can here the lift whenever it is switched on. You can tell when its on because the tone has more zing.

It starts off with it switched on. I then switch it off to play the riff again. Then back on again for 'Smooth Dancer'. By now you can tell the difference. You can really hear the 'metal' of the strings - almost like SRV - that type of tone you get when the gain is turned right down. Metalic is how Dawk describes it and I definately agree. Hopefully you can hear what I mean.

Very good demo! That's definately the difference on and off! My guitar has exactly the same metallic 'zing' tone, when the volume pot is almost turned down.
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I have got it set so you can notice the most difference. In practice I would normally have my guitar volume up more and the difference would be more subtle. Here you can definately here the difference. Without it the tone seems a bit lifeless. and this is a great sounding guitar with great pickups. You just notice that it doenst sound as good without it. For my taste anyway. Have now been playing this thing for a few weeks and have got used to it. It is definately good to have an on-off switch. For really quiet parts , if I have a high gain pedal and amp sound and want a reaIly clean sound controlled from the guitar I switch it off. It can gives you an almost SRV like tone.

I don't have the on/off switch, so mine is always 'on'.
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It is also really good for something like 'No No No'. I know RB wasnt using it then, but Im just giving an example of a riff where it really shines. I should have played that when I think about it! 'Rat bat Blue' is another also makes the point as well.

Im using RPA Major, Engl Blackmore, Picato 77's (these are ace!), gold lace, MIJ scalloped strat

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=994171&songID=8177848



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KillerBananas wrote:

Sounds good, and yes- you can hear the difference!

About time someone put up a clip that shows the difference between on/ off emoticon



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Have a little patience, and I will post (maybe sometime in coming winter or so) the difference between MTC and RBTC. I still have to buy the Fender Lace Sensor Gold pups (the same as in my '72 RI Japanese Strat which has the MTC fitted in) for my mex strat and build the RBTC in it. Then you'll hear the difference between both devices.

I'm sorry, stil haven't got the money yet to buy the pick ups.

But one thing for sure: the MTC works!




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Nice clip CreamStrat.

What would be really interesting though is if you did the exact same thing but without the BSM pedal or the amp, then it would be very clear what the MTC is doing. The issue with this type of clip with the BSM pedal is determining what the pedal is doing, what the amp is doing and then what the MTC is doing to all of it. The interaction between these devices is more difficult to identify.

So if it's easy for you to make another version try doing it direct to your recording desk, just the guitar and a cable straight into the desk. This will isolate everything else that's in your signal chain, so you can actually hear the MTC in action.

Also it would be interesting to understand how you had the settings on the guitar. The "2nd Circuit"( Capacitor ) in the MTC is controlled from whichever Tone control/s it's wired to( the red/black wires ) so where was your tone control on a scale of 1-10. The "1st circuit"( Treble Bleed, white wires on the volume control ) will be less and less noticable as the volume increases, becuase when the volume is full the effect is effectively removed.

Did you have the ON/OFF Switch wired to switch the two WHITE MTC wires or the red/black wires or both? It would be interesting to know which way it's been done in your guitar.

Also if you have the guitar turned up full and you switch your MTC on and then off what sound difference do you get from it.
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Will have a go at doing a clip direct. Im off to work so will be later.

I recored the parts with the tone full up ie least bass.

I recorded the clip this way because this is how I use it. I always use the pedal and always play with a high gain sound which I then control from the guitar. This clip is intended to show it in action It is useful to hear it interacting with the other stuff because thats what happens in real life. I dont even know what it will sound like DI because I would never use that type of guitar sound. But will do a recording like this anyway.

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I really liked that clip, Creamstrat, great stuff!
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Will have a go at doing a clip direct. Im off to work so will be later.

I recored the parts with the tone full up ie least bass.

I recorded the clip this way because this is how I use it. I always use the pedal and always play with a high gain sound which I then control from the guitar. This clip is intended to show it in action It is useful to hear it interacting with the other stuff because thats what happens in real life. I dont even know what it will sound like DI because I would never use that type of guitar sound. But will do a recording like this anyway.




Thanks for the information and it will be interesting to hear how you get on with the ampless/pedalless clip. Incidentially I think you may find this is the method Blackmroe used to record a lot of his slide solos on the CD's. Direct in with just a little gain from the desk, gives a virtually noiseless sound for slide work, sounds great too.

For this demo clip you want to avoid the gain though, just try to use the minimum needeed to get a good signal, also run with flat EQ so that what we hear is just the MTC or just the guitar.

I realise that you first clip was more "real world" and that is of course much more how your gear would be used, but the thing you need to identify is the change that is being caused by the MTC so that you can then gauge it and then determine what else it will do to your signal. If there is a marked difference between the raw guitar with the MTC and without the MTC then that difference will be reflected and amplified by the other gear in your chain.

Whichever way it will be interesting to hear the results of this demo.
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Dont know if I will get chance tonight. In the middle of getting variou bits of various guitars to take to a tech tommorow. Trying to put together a Cal Jam strat from various bits. Have just got a swamp ash body and some classic 69 pickups. Cant decide which bridge to go with out of a recent squire which has the die cast saddles or a 25 yr old squire with a better trem block but pressed steel saddles. They have different screw spacings which is annoying! I know these arent te best bridges but will have to do for now! Have got a half scalloped might mite maple neck as well.
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Well here is a DI recording. I dont know how useful this is because the guitar sound is very bland whatever pickup or setting is used. A better demo would probably be with a nice clean amp sound.

I start of with it switched off. Then play the riff again with it on. The sound becomes louder and brighter.Im playing with a fairly heavy picking attack without much variation so you can tell the difference in volume comes from the MTC being switched on and off. There are also some volume changes when I change pickup so I try to switch the MTC on and off soon after so you can hear the difference that makes rather than the pickup change.

I think you can heat to difference in tone better on the other recording because the amp and pedals help to exagerate the difference which is what happens in practice.

Anyway. Thats it.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=994171&songID=8183370


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Well here is a DI recording. I dont know how useful this is because the guitar sound is very bland whatever pickup or setting is used. A better demo would probably be with a nice clean amp sound.

I start of with it switched off. Then play the riff again with it on. The sound becomes louder and brighter.Im playing with a fairly heavy picking attack without much variation so you can tell the difference in volume comes from the MTC being switched on and off. There are also some volume changes when I change pickup so I try to switch the MTC on and off soon after so you can hear the difference that makes rather than the pickup change.

I think you can heat to difference in tone better on the other recording because the amp and pedals help to exagerate the difference which is what happens in practice.

Anyway. Thats it.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=994171&songID=8183370



Well done Creamstrat and thanks for taking the time to carry out this recording for the benefit of everyone here. Your playing was great.

This clip demonstrates the MTC very effectively. It has considerable similarities to the comparision clip I produced and posted on YouTube between the raw guitar and the guitar with MTC.

The volume increase is caused by the switching effect and nothing more. A similar thing happens with the RBTC when it's fitted with a switch too, when it goes on/off there is a small volume jump.

This clip lets you hear what the MTC is really actually doing to the guitar signal. Remember that this is the signal you are feeding into the start of your signal chain, so anything that happens here is the ONLY thing that actually happens here and this is the "tone" generation direct from the guitar, so if it's not here, it will never be part of your signal. Although other devices may generate your tone, what is coming from your guitar and the MTC is what you hear in this clip, nothing more, nothing less.

So in all honesty the clip really does not show any marked tone difference between the MTC on or the MTC off, it shows a minor volume increase for the reasons I've said. Would you agree ?

If you send me the original recorded file I could easily analyse the wave form and confirm that there is no actual difference, in this clip, between on or off, except for the slight volume increase. Again I'd guess you used the Tone pot on full and backed off your volume like before ?

I'm not sure where this leaves us, except that there is quite evidently virtually no discernable difference( except a small volume increase) in the signal leaving your MTC equipped guitar between having the device on or off.

Recording a clip in this way, is the only real way to get to what is really happening, because as soon as you add all the other gear, you can never be quite sure which bit contributed what to your sound. This clip is a fairly brutally but very true test of the guitar with the MTC both on and off.

Thanks for producing this.
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