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KB: Thanks for posting that, no problem at all, it's nothing I haven't said publically before, even though nobody hears it!
CreamStrat/Stratman70: I whole heartedly apologise if you felt insulted or that you wrods were twisted, that was NOT at all my intention in writing my post. You have recorded some excellent clips, are a great player and clearly into Blackmore. Been there got the hat and T, but it's only that Blackmore association that is carrying the MTC and nothing else. KB has the right idea.
I have been exactly where you are now with the MTC in terms of beleiving it was the nirvana of sound. The Blackmore effect is far reaching but try to disassociate the "Blackmore" connection from the MTC, see it as jsut another device and ask yourself does this deliver $325 worth of a difference in your sound? If you think it does, that's great, if you don't, and i don't, then that's also great. But then do what KB suggests and make up a basic treble bleed circuit and you'll soon see what's happening. From YOUR comments and those of Dawk we have established that in the case of CreamStrat you did not have the MTC set to give the "Ritchie Effect"( according to Dawk!) so clearly it wouldn't give it, therefore that's NOT what you are hearing. I don't doubt you are hearing something, like I said it took me quite some time and a simple accident to realise the MTC wasn't happening. YOU said the sound is brighter, and that's exactly the effect from a trbel-bleed, it's NOT a fatter sound that's for sure, though that is what Dawk told me it would deliver and it simply didn't, quite the opposite.
There is really no point now making more clips as all you will now be doing is massaging the sound to try and make the MTC audible and get the result you expected it to give without amps. The result isn't there. IF there was a "radical tone difference" being produced by the MTC then it would have shown up in your Clean recording first time around, that's exactly why I asked you to make the recording that way, because it isolates jsut the thing you want to hear. I'd guess you were probably a little shocked when you heard the cleanclips yourself. I know when I heard it this way and then compared it to other non MTC guitars I had, I was amazed at how there was no difference. I was also embarassed, as I had said some really great things about the MTC while I was still under the effects of the "stardust" and realised they were basically entirely wrong.
So overall I really think we're done with the MTC and the RBTC debate. The MTC does what it does, the RBTC does something entirely different and always has. If you like the MTC that's great, if you like the RBTC that's great if you like both, that's also great, I've no problem with that at all. If nothing else this topic should assisit other people in questioning the whole MTC/RBTC thing and then enable them to make an informed choice.
Did Blackmore have an MTC in all his guitars, which is identical to the one Dawk sells you? Really, what do you think!
Uh huh..........you got it, correct answer!
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Did Blackmore have an MTC in all his guitars, which is identical to the one Dawk sells you? Really, what do you think!
Uh huh..........you got it, correct answer!
Yes, he already had that in his Framus. 
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Did Blackmore have an MTC in all his guitars, which is identical to the one Dawk sells you?
No! Blackmore has got his tone controls full on all the time, and according to Dawk himself the MTC wont give you any "Blackmore effect" before you turn the tone control below 2.
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Blackmore has got his tone controls full on all the time
We want evidence! One quote from one single interview won't do. He's probably lying again! 
Mind you, there are several things you can do with "tone controls". For example, one popular thing is to have the upper tone pot to work as a pickup mixer.
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Blackmore has got his tone controls full on all the time
We want evidence!
Come Hell Or High Water DVD, bootleg DVDs from Stranger In Us All Tour, Deep Purple boots from the 80s, Rainbow DVDs.....need I go on?
Anyway, it will be interesting to hear the soundclips made with amplifier on clean and overdriven settings.
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Blackmore has got his tone controls full on all the time
We want evidence!
1. Come Hell Or High Water DVD, bootleg DVDs from Stranger In Us All Tour, Deep Purple boots from the 80s, Rainbow DVDs.....need I go on?
2. Anyway, it will be interesting to hear the soundclips made with amplifier on clean and overdriven settings.
1. Sorry, there's no way that counts as evidence.
2. Agreed!
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Blackmore has got his tone controls full on all the time
We want evidence!
1. Come Hell Or High Water DVD, bootleg DVDs from Stranger In Us All Tour, Deep Purple boots from the 80s, Rainbow DVDs.....need I go on?
2. Anyway, it will be interesting to hear the soundclips made with amplifier on clean and overdriven settings.
1. Sorry, there's no way that counts as evidence.
2. Agreed!
1. Well, sorry that I can't refer to a magazine interview with Blackmore, but I think DVDs makes up for better evidence!?!
2. Prove it!
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1. Well, sorry that I can't refer to a magazine interview with Blackmore, but I think DVDs makes up for better evidence!?!
Are there closeups of Blackmore's tone control settings?
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1. Well, sorry that I can't refer to a magazine interview with Blackmore, but I think DVDs makes up for better evidence!?!
Are there closeups of Blackmore's tone control settings?
Indeed. KB said RB has both tone knobs full on "all the time". This coming from the guy who basically wanted month-to-month account of Dawk's possible involvement at least from 1972 to 1990. When KB was, for a while, happy with the idea that Dawk worked on RB's gear in 1975, he started asking was Dawk in CalJam in person. Soon it was in Japan in 1972. Now he is not happy with the Blackmore-mentioned 1982 to early 1990s anymore. This is why I think the debate has completely staled. It's just running around the same things, or hair-splitting on a word or two.
KB, is a camera on RB's guitar - every guitar - on each DVD *all the time*, so we could tell how the knobs are *all the time*?
See?
Looking at the numerous live pictures in the book "Rainbow Live in Japan 1982", the tone knobs are not in the same setting (if they are both on '10', the texts on the knob should point the same way) in all the photos; further, and are not in the same positions compared to each other in every picture. Of course, apart from a couple of serial pictures we can't know if all of the pictures are from the same gig, despite the fact that the jacket / top is the same. But it's the same guitar all right.
Btw, how do you control the MTC, or the RBTC for that matter? Is it installed so that it is controlled by a tone knob, making that knob do something it didn't originally do?
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Rezi: I think you have perhaps totally missed the point on this one. It's largely irrelevant whether KB produces interview evidence for you or not.
Remember:
DAWK SAYS:
MAYBE HE DOES'NT KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO TURN THE TONE CONTROL
DOWN BELOW (2) TO GET ''RITCHIE'S'' EFFECT...
Simple fact..............
is we know that the clips posted here were made with the tone controls FULL UP becuase CreamStrat told us this, so whatever you think you are hearing here, it's not the ''RITCHIE'S'' EFFECT... as outlined by the guy, Dawk, who apparently desgined and supplied the device for Blackmore.
So WTF is there to argue over now. Your own ears and CreamStrats well made clip tell you all you need to know.
There is nothing in the signal, beyond a small volume boost and the effect that would be easily obtained by ANY Treblebleed and that is the reason you can't hear it. There is no ''RITCHIE'S'' EFFECT... becuase the MTC was not operated as it's supposed to be accoriding to it's maker.
The pattern is always the same, the MTC is shown to do very little if anything and so people who want to beleive it works then clamour to find a way to make it work, to excuse the fact that they have raved about how great it is when it's obvious it doesn't do much at all. Again, I know, I own an MTC and I've been there and done that. It's total nonsense as the clips clearly lets you hear.
You guys didn't beleive my clean clip which showed the exact same thing and now here you all are again, now you don't beleive the independent clip produced by CreamStrat!
Further massaging the sound samples with more clips, trying a clean amp or whatever else is actually just totally irrelevant and pointless at this stage. What needed to happen was that the ampless, pedalless clip needed to show a very marked differencce between the MTC on or off. The clip didn't show this at all, doubtless to the horror of many of the MTC supporters.
The clips done minus amps and pedals tell you ALL you need to know about what is coming out of that MTC fitted guitar. A small volume boost and a treble bleed function, thats it.
Like I wrote before, if you divorce the "Blackmore Connection" from this MTC you guys would ALL be demanding a full-refund and unfortuantely you ALL know it and that why you continue to worm round it, till you can justify your OWN misplaced belief in it. Remember, been there, done it, long ago! Everyone I've ever spoken to who bought an MTC has experienced the same surprise at what it didn't do and usually they jsut go silent about it. Kashmir who posted here and on Dawks forum was a classic example. He ranted and raved about it, then when he got the MTC there was a strange silence. Of course now so that he doesn't fell like a total clown he will still says it's ok. That's the pattern and remember I have emails from about 10 MTC owners asking for help to make it work. Sorry can't help and the clip here demonstratess why!
If you beleive the MTC is a tone nirvana, that's great, good luck to you, but right now it just looks much more like a bad case of the "Emperors New Clothes Fable" all over again.
We've done the MTC story here, you've had your independent test which gives the same results as my tests which you have also heard and still you don't beleive what you hear so there's nothing left to be said about it, the clip here tells you the whole story now it's just arguing for the sake of it.
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