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Blackmore certainly had a great sound before Dawk, but it was different from his current tone. And his current tone is the result of decades of experiments, with Dawk's involvement.
Inspired by the tone knob 'discussion' I watched bits of San Antonio DVD last night and while I prefer his 1970s tones to that, his sound was at places simply awesome. E.g. Tearin'... intro & the solo preceding the double time ending (the sound he has on the fast solo, especially with the neck pickup might be the MTC at work; it so thick), the riff of to All Night Long... Great stuff.
Good points in your previous post, too. I'd like to add it is likely RB (or any other player) tells us just a part of things, rather than reveal all that's been done. It would be weird to strive for a better sound, less interference etc., pay for people to do that, and then give all the info away for free.
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Niji,
Thank you for the explanation. Although I am not going to argue with you but I totaly disagree with you. Ritchie played on stock things many years and always was the best guitarist. His tone is his geniousity. He developed his equipment by himself using different elements available at the time being. It might happened that he never met Dawk but his development of his sound wouldn't be poorer like he has today. Dawk or not Dawk doesn't matter for him. He is genious. According to spendidng the money, I seriuosly doubt it. They have created their own sound many, many years ago and still use the same equipment, not necessary to invest the money all the time. Probably in case when Ritchie crashed his guitars and amps on stage. I think Ritchie can play many different equipment cheap or expensive and he always will be the best. But if you poor on the guitar MTC would be useless thing for you.
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Niji,
Thank you for the explanation. Although I am not going to argue with you but I totaly disagree with you. Ritchie played on stock things many years and always was the best guitarist. His tone is his geniousity. He developed his equipment by himself using different elements available at the time being. It might happened that he never met Dawk but his development of his sound wouldn't be poorer like he has today. Dawk or not Dawk doesn't matter for him. He is genious. According to spendidng the money, I seriuosly doubt it. They have created their own sound many, many years ago and still use the same equipment, not necessary to invest the money all the time. Probably in case when Ritchie crashed his guitars and amps on stage. I think Ritchie can play many different equipment cheap or expensive and he always will be the best. But if you poor on the guitar MTC would be useless thing for you.
Askhat, I've seen your posts both here and at the Dawk forum, and I have to say that I find your opinions, 'cause that is obviously what they are, quite ignorant to say the least. I was thinking of writing a long reply, but decided not to since there's no point. You've already made up your mind for some reason or another, so there's no point in discussing with you...as also seen over at the Dawkforum.
Ah, off to some more modding...
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I agree with Askhat in that all the mods are just touches on your sound. If you've got a good guitar, a good amp and can play, the rest is just about slightly tinkering with it.
For example, referring to the MTC - RBTC debates here, I don't know what's the point of buying a mod, call it a tone control or whatever else, that "*radically* changes your sound"? Does that not mean one has bought the wrong guitar or / amp in the first place?
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Im looking forward to getting back to making some music. At least posting demos etc has got me back into doing some recording again.
Thinking of getting a bass and some good drum software. Can anyone recommend any good free drum software or samples?
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I agree with Askhat in that all the mods are just touches on your sound. If you've got a good guitar, a good amp and can play, the rest is just about slightly tinkering with it.
For example, referring to the MTC - RBTC debates here, I don't know what's the point of buying a mod, call it a tone control or whatever else, that "*radically* changes your sound"? Does that not mean one has bought the wrong guitar or / amp in the first place?
The point of modding is that it is extremely hard to find a set up that cover all the bases. In reherseal you need this sound, in a live setting you need that sound, when practising you may want something completely different.
I use the RBTC in my set up because it's a very helpful device for the music I'm part of playing. I'm in two bands, and need different sounds. I can dial in the MH sound if I want to, I can dial in the SIUA sound if I want to, I can get close to the CalJam sound if I want to, or, with my Les Paul, I can get close to D.ickey Betts' current sound because of the tube set up in my amp. There are a lot of interesting mods you can do to obtain a sound that pleases you. I've never owned gear that's given me "the tone" right out of the box, and I've had tons of gear over the years. You could say that a Strat and a Marshall Major would do the trick, but a Major would blow out the windows before you hit the sweet spot. Then it's a good idea to do some modding. There is a reason why most musicians mod their equipment, and it's not because they're basicly dumb.
I can understand why Blackmore started to mod his gear. He used Gibson/ Strat/ Vox/ Major and that gives you a overdriven sound at high volume, but not much else. To use a set up like that for longer periods can be very limiting, and it would've been useless in fx Rainbow. If you listen to early recordings of Blackmore his style is very staccato, and IMO that may be because of the limitations his set up at the time caused.
Regarding the MTC, I believe it is a treble bleed, but it is a very nice one. Way to expencive though. It seems to boost the signal slightly, and brings more clarity to the sound at lower volumes. All this got me thinking, I wonder if I can get a treble bleed to work only on my neck pu together with the RBTC??? Hmmm....that could've been interesting!
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KB: regards the Treble Bleed ......
I have a customer who does exactly this he has both fitted. Arguably at one level as the RBTC does something approximating to the opposite of a Treble Bleed, it would seem they might fight each other but this customers says not. He claims it gives a difference that he likes, the combination of the frequenciy changes of the RBTC with the effect of the treble bleed.
I can probably send you a wiring setup that will give you what you want, if it's combined with the push/pull you already have. By adding another push/pull to the top tone pot as well we could do some interesting things in terms of switching the RBTC / Treble Bleed functions about so you could blend or seperate them. Let me know what you need and I'll get the tech to sort it for you. What we call customer service I think!
The RBTC is not a treble bleed that's for sure, not even close.
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KB: regards the Treble Bleed ......
I have a customer who does exactly this he has both fitted. Arguably at one level as the RBTC does something approximating to the opposite of a Treble Bleed, it would seem they might fight each other but this customers says not. He claims it gives a difference that he likes, the combination of the frequenciy changes of the RBTC with the effect of the treble bleed.
I can probably send you a wiring setup that will give you what you want, if it's combined with the push/pull you already have. By adding another push/pull to the top tone pot as well we could do some interesting things in terms of switching the RBTC / Treble Bleed functions about so you could blend or seperate them. Let me know what you need and I'll get the tech to sort it for you. What we call customer service I think!
The RBTC is not a treble bleed that's for sure, not even close.
That sounds interesting, mijf! Look out for mails 
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