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Testing Dawk's MTC
Yesss... today I got my new Fender Lace Gold Sensors. I build them into my Mex. Strat and compared both guitars: one equipped with the MTC and the other is without any device, just the FLS pick ups. Other than that, both guitars are identical!
I recorded one thing and then played the same piece along with the other guitar.
All the same settings for both guitars and the result is the same as Creamstrat posted: clearer sound with the MTC.
So the MTC definately works! It's beautiful and seems to work on both pick ups, not only the neck pick up???
Volume on both guitars at 3. Guitar, RPA (is only switched on when I play the distorted stuff), POD2.0.
On every 'beep' I switch the channel from guitar1 to guitar2, to begin without MTC:
Testing Dawk's MTC
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8/10/2009, 16:07
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Re: Testing Dawk's MTC
Yeah, definately works, just as good as any other treble bleed at maybe $20 
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8/10/2009, 16:17
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Yeah, definately works, just as good as any other treble bleed at maybe $20
Is that the price you got RBTC for from MIJF for all the advertising? 
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8/10/2009, 16:23
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Stratman. Excellent demo. I recognise those tones straight away!! Clearly you can hear them with the POD the same way as with the amp and DI. Reminded me of some riffs that I will have to learn myself tonight ie Midtown tunnel vision. Forgot what a cool riff that is!!!
Your sound is really nice. I think we have a very smilar taste!!!!
Was it the seymour duncans quarter pounders you had in the guitar before the lace sensors? I loved those SD pickups when I first got them but now prefer the lace sensors as well. Have still kept them in my MIM blackmore strat as its nice to have a bit of variation. I think they sounded better in my CIJ strat tho prob cos its basswood and a bit brigher wheras the MIM is quite heavy with a thick dark sound
I have to say I definately prefer the MTC to the RBTC. The RBTC is ok though and Im putting it in one of my bright sounding guitars so I can take the edge of teh brightness if I want to.
Anyway, cheers for giving us another test showing the MTC doing exactlythe same as what I showed.
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8/10/2009, 17:15
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Hey Creamstrat, thanks man!
Well, like you said: I recognised it straight away too. When I heard your clips, I wanted to check that myself asap. So I ordered those Fender Lace Sensors and got'm today. When I finished recording it and heard the two channels, it was exactly the same difference as in your clips.
Yeah, I liked those quarterpounders too and I'll keep them too, but they're not hum cancelling. I also wanted a back up guitar for gigs, which must be exactly the same as my main strat is.
Yeah, we have a similar taste and you're a great guitarplayer! You're very fast!!!
@ KB: maybe you're right, maybe not. To be honest, I was amazed by the sound of a treble bleed, googling after I read your post. I hadn't heard of treble bleeds before. And I heard a sample, not on a strat, but on a ES333 and it sounds very similar.
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Do I regret buying the MTC?
Hell no! It's that tone I was searching for! Treble bleed or not... it works and maybe is a little too much money, but I'm still feeling rich and happy, so what...
But the treble bleed thing is still interesting. I have more strats, so...
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8/10/2009, 17:55
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My tech who fitted the MTC is very knowledgable on this matters says it is definately more than a treble bleed. Especially as it is also boosting the lower freqencies as well.
Have been watching some clips and they are a useful device but they seem to do more tone restoration whereas the MTC actuallly changes the tone.
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8/10/2009, 18:01
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Re: Testing Dawk's MTC
One treble bleed solution, taken from a Finnish site:
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8/10/2009, 18:18
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One treble bleed solution, taken from a Finnish site:
Strats have 250K pots as standard. A 500K pot like this diagram will have broadly the same effect as the Treble Bleed but will thin out your sound at any volume. Fitting a 500K pot in your strat is the best way to ruin the sound of a Lace Sensor setup, it strips the body out the sound. Don't fit this to your Lace strat it will sound pretty dire. Might be effectvie with something like the Seymour Duncans which tend to be muffled anyway.
Stratman70: I gotta ask! What is your sound clip supposed to demonstrate here ? Is it the POD or the RPA or the MTC ? Surely you realise what the POD actually does to the sound ? It's not called an amp modeller for nothing! You could plug a criket bat with strings and pickups into a POD and it would sound the same as virtually any guitar. The POD changes whatever signal you put into it, into the "sound" you get as the output, that's what the "modelling" software does! If you turn down the volume on the guitar the POD still produces the same signal, just at a reduce volume. With a real amp the sound would change. So as a tool for demonstration of something as "subtle" as the effect of the MTC, it's about as much use a chocolate tea-pot!
Try the test WITHOUT any amps or pedals, although it's fairly pointless as it's been done already, but then you will get the same result as I got and as Creamstrat got, namely, a minor "treble-bleed" effect which could easily be acheived by the $2 worth of components required to make it. The "tone" you get from your MTC is mostly provided by your own desire to hear it!
Incidentially the reason your MTC works on BOTH your pickups is really simple. It's becuase the 2 white wires are wired to your volume control, so you ALWAYS get it on ALL pickups, if you don't have it wired to the volume control and turn the volume down it doesn't work at all and that's by design. Becuase the White wires are on the volume you get "treble-bleed" ANY time you turn the volume down, regardless of pickup selected. This means anyone who claims they hear the MTC working with their guitar volume at full , is simply delluded, it's bullsh1t and yes several people here have made that claim, you have to laugh, but it's true! The only bit of the MTC that might work ONLY on your neck pickup is the RED/BLACK wire, the capacitor, and even that only works according to Dawk at 2 or below on the tone control. Ignore any of the crap on his forum where he agrees that it works when people just connect it to their jack socket, it's complete nonsense. Unless you connect the White wires to your volume control( or a variant thereof to control the volume) then it does not work. Try it and you'll soon find out.
In fact if you really want to understand what is going on with your MTC try disconnecting the red/black wires and reconnecting your capacitor and funnily enough you will find your guitar will sound identical that way, somewhat suggesting the red/black wires are not really required! They aren't required. Also try leaving the red/black wires attached and disconnect the white wires, again the guitar will sound just the same. You may notice a little less bright becuase the treble-bleed is removed. So then make up a simple treble bleed and try that. Sooner or later the penny will drop for you that the MTC is not doing what you think it is. I admire the way you and creamstrat are of course keen to prove that your MTC really is making a difference and so justifying its $325/350 cost. The original Clean Test I did proved what it did, creamstrats test underlined and supported this and if you do the tests you will find out the same thing.
Like I wrote before the MTC story is done, we all know what it does or doesn't do. Some like it, some don't, that's great. At $325/350 it's an expensive item, so what are you really paying for? Simple Answer, you are ONLY paying because you believe you have now bought the very same thing as your hero Mr Blackmore has in his guitar BUT you have absolutely NO WAY to prove either way he does or he doesn't, so it's a really good game!!!
MTC $5 in components $20 assembly and $300 of pure "star-dust". Enjoy.
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Of course you can hear it on the POD. Same way as you could hear it on every other clip. Why wouldnt it work on the POD. Its like saying you wont be able to hear a pickup change.
I notice that you have now changed your agrument from you cant hear it at all to it must be a treble bleed because you read about treble bleeds in the last few days because people on other forums have started to come up with theories about what they can hear.
How come you had one for a year and raved about it only to strat saying it doenst work at all because you were getting criticised for stealing the idea. We know your version isnt the same, but it has taken the basic idea of a little black box, associated with blackmore (RB - TC. I dont belive that Robert the Bruce crap) and affects the tone of the guitar when the volume is not on full.
The first test showed that it work but you wanted proof using conditions that were obviously going to make the difference least notiecable.
I dont understand whu you are even trying to argue that it doenst work when you can clearly hear that it does. If you cant you must be deaf. You do not need the hearing of a dog.
Why do you totally ignore any of the facts that are presented to you. I did a spectral view test just to see what it looked like. didnt need that to prove it but was interested to see the results which clearly showed that it does make a difference.
To be quite honest I could have afforded for this to be an expensive mistake but it just wasnt. Yes it is expensive and unnecessary, but is the icing on the cake if you have all the other blackmore gear essentials.
I really do wonder if you just got a faulty one. But then again you would not have raved about it for so long. One can only assume you have another agenda
I too have finished with this topic . It has been done to death and Im pretty sure we will never agree. But dont think anyone going silent on teh subject is because they a cowering having come to terms with accepting they were wrong. No. Its just that I for one cannot be bothered to keep on arguing. I dont need to. People can hear for themselves. I have had enough people contact me to say they can clearly hear it. Its just that no one wants to get dragged into this stupid argument by posting on here.
I didnt want to get confrontational but you cant make us to be naive idiots and expected us to lie back and take it.
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One treble bleed solution, taken from a Finnish site:
Strats have 250K pots as standard. A 500K pot like this diagram will have broadly the same effect as the Treble Bleed but will thin out your sound at any volume. Fitting a 500K pot in your strat is the best way to ruin the sound of a Lace Sensor setup, it strips the body out the sound. Don't fit this to your Lace strat it will sound pretty dire. Might be effectvie with something like the Seymour Duncans which tend to be muffled anyway.
I never said it was for a Strat. I wrote "one solution", not "this is how you make your Strat sound like Blackmore".
Reminds me of you, some time ago, reading (well...) my comments on my experiences with certain pickups. You concluded (well...) that I think pickups themselves produce distortion.
I think you'd better get off your high technical horse and acting like you're the expert. I understood you have a guy who does the technics and you just sell them?
Yes, 250K is the preferred pot for single coils, 500K for humbuckers.
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