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Creamstrat, there's no doubt the MTC is working. It has a very nice effect to my ears. My question is if you can get the same effect from a "standard" treble bleed, 'cause there isn't much doubt that's what the MTC is.

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Rezi wrote:

One treble bleed solution, taken from a Finnish site:

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Strats have 250K pots as standard. A 500K pot like this diagram will have broadly the same effect as the Treble Bleed but will thin out your sound at any volume. Fitting a 500K pot in your strat is the best way to ruin the sound of a Lace Sensor setup, it strips the body out the sound. Don't fit this to your Lace strat it will sound pretty dire. Might be effectvie with something like the Seymour Duncans which tend to be muffled anyway.

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1) I never said it was for a Strat. I wrote "one solution", not "this is how you make your Strat sound like Blackmore".

2) Reminds me of you, some time ago, reading (well...) my comments on my experiences with certain pickups. You concluded (well...) that I think pickups themselves produce distortion.

3) I think you'd better get off your high technical horse and acting like you're the expert. I understood you have a guy who does the technics and you just sell them?

4) Yes, 250K is the preferred pot for single coils, 500K for humbuckers.

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Rezi wrote:

One treble bleed solution, taken from a Finnish site:

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Strats have 250K pots as standard. A 500K pot like this diagram will have broadly the same effect as the Treble Bleed but will thin out your sound at any volume. Fitting a 500K pot in your strat is the best way to ruin the sound of a Lace Sensor setup, it strips the body out the sound. Don't fit this to your Lace strat it will sound pretty dire. Might be effectvie with something like the Seymour Duncans which tend to be muffled anyway.

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1) I never said it was for a Strat. I wrote "one solution", not "this is how you make your Strat sound like Blackmore".

2) Reminds me of you, some time ago, reading (well...) my comments on my experiences with certain pickups. You concluded (well...) that I think pickups themselves produce distortion.

3) I think you'd better get off your high technical horse and acting like you're the expert. I understood you have a guy who does the technics and you just sell them?

4) Yes, 250K is the preferred pot for single coils, 500K for humbuckers.

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1) WTF!
Did I say ANYWHERE that you said this was for a STRAT? NO I absolutely didn't at all.
It's simply an observation that a 500K pot would not be the pot of choice for a Strat. As a further general comment being that this configuration would strip the body out of your sound. It might work on Seymours it might not. Seems you feel under attack Rezi, when all that's being presented is general information.
2) Perhaps you could point me to the topic. Some Dimarzio pickups are specifically designed to distort sooner than others, but remind me, what sh1te we were debating back then.
3) Well Rezi, believing all you read has seems to be a weakness of yours, especially where anything "Blackmore" is concerned. nOt the best policy, as things are rarely how they seem, especially in the "music business"

4) Appears to be exactly what I was saying. So again to your measured response I say WTF!

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KillerBananas wrote:

Creamstrat, there's no doubt the MTC is working. It has a very nice effect to my ears. My question is if you can get the same effect from a "standard" treble bleed, 'cause there isn't much doubt that's what the MTC is.

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There is, the guy just explained why he doesn't think it is. The only reason you think it is a Treble bleed is because your lord & master/employer had an -no doubt very independent- analysis done. With the same rhetoric I can see people saying the same of Mijf's gadget.

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Stratman70: I gotta ask! What is your sound clip supposed to demonstrate here ? Is it the POD or the RPA or the MTC ? Surely you realise what the POD actually does to the sound ? It's not called an amp modeller for nothing! You could plug a criket bat with strings and pickups into a POD and it would sound the same as virtually any guitar. The POD changes whatever signal you put into it, into the "sound" you get as the output, that's what the "modelling" software does! If you turn down the volume on the guitar the POD still produces the same signal, just at a reduce volume. With a real amp the sound would change. So as a tool for demonstration of something as "subtle" as the effect of the MTC, it's about as much use a chocolate tea-pot!

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Try the test WITHOUT any amps or pedals, although it's fairly pointless as it's been done already, but then you will get the same result as I got and as Creamstrat got, namely, a minor "treble-bleed" effect which could easily be acheived by the $2 worth of components required to make it. The "tone" you get from your MTC is mostly provided by your own desire to hear it!

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MTC $5 in components $20 assembly and $300 of pure "star-dust". Enjoy.

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Of course you can hear it on the POD. Same way as you could hear it on every other clip. Why wouldnt it work on the POD. Its like saying you wont be able to hear a pickup change.

I notice that you have now changed your agrument from you cant hear it at all to it must be a treble bleed because you read about treble bleeds in the last few days because people on other forums have started to come up with theories about what they can hear.

How come you had one for a year and raved about it only to strat saying it doenst work at all because you were getting criticised for stealing the idea. We know your version isnt the same, but it has taken the basic idea of a little black box, associated with blackmore (RB - TC. I dont belive that Robert the Bruce crap) and affects the tone of the guitar when the volume is not on full.

The first test showed that it work but you wanted proof using conditions that were obviously going to make the difference least notiecable.

I dont understand whu you are even trying to argue that it doenst work when you can clearly hear that it does. If you cant you must be deaf. You do not need the hearing of a dog.

Why do you totally ignore any of the facts that are presented to you. I did a spectral view test just to see what it looked like. didnt need that to prove it but was interested to see the results which clearly showed that it does make a difference.

To be quite honest I could have afforded for this to be an expensive mistake but it just wasnt. Yes it is expensive and unnecessary, but is the icing on the cake if you have all the other blackmore gear essentials.

I really do wonder if you just got a faulty one. But then again you would not have raved about it for so long. One can only assume you have another agenda

I too have finished with this topic . It has been done to death and Im pretty sure we will never agree. But dont think anyone going silent on teh subject is because they a cowering having come to terms with accepting they were wrong. No. Its just that I for one cannot be bothered to keep on arguing. I dont need to. People can hear for themselves. I have had enough people contact me to say they can clearly hear it. Its just that no one wants to get dragged into this stupid argument by posting on here.

I didnt want to get confrontational but you cant make us to be naive idiots and expected us to lie back and take it.

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Whether it's a cheap trick made by Dawk.....

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Whether it's a cheap trick made by Dawk.....

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It's a trick, but it's not cheap

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