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Whether it's a cheap trick made by Dawk.....
It's a trick, but it's not cheap 
With my salary from MIJF I can buy a box of MTCs and give them to the good people here to test. You're getting one, don't worry! 
ThanksRezi, looking forward to test the treble bleed known as the MTC.
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Whether it's a cheap trick made by Dawk.....
It's a trick, but it's not cheap
With my salary from MIJF I can buy a box of MTCs and give them to the good people here to test. You're getting one, don't worry!
ThanksRezi, looking forward to test the treble bleed known as the MTC.
As long as you actually listen to the sound, instead of just taking MIJF's word for it (have you tested the MTC, btw?)! 
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As long as you actually listen to the sound, instead of just taking MIJF's word for it (have you tested the MTC, btw?)!
Read my previous posts commenting on the soundclips Creamstrat and Stratman70 has made. As I said, the MTC do make a difference, but the difference is very similar to a treble bleed. Even Dawk has called it a "halicaster treble bleed". In fact, I think I used the words "treble bleed" before mijf used it here at the forum, after those soundclips got posted!?!
If you read Stratman70s last post, you can see for yourself his comment on the effect from the MTC when the guitar is plugged in front of a PC. It gives a slight boost, and not much more. If that's worth $350...OK! Wouldn't it be much smarter to install a treble bleed yourself at a cost of maybe $5?
Funny thing, after those soundclips came along it seems the Dawkforum has died. Why not post those soundclips over at his forum? At least he can use it as proof that the MTC make a subtle difference.
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Funny thing, after those soundclips came along it seems the Dawkforum has died. Why not post those soundclips over at his forum? At least he can use it as proof that the MTC make a subtle difference.
Dawk's forum is already dead for a while.
I'll post those samples on his forum, don't worry.
I won't call it a subtle difference anymore, since I did my test. The difference is MUCH bigger than differences between some pick ups, which of many people pay a lot of money for too and still sound the same. Can you hear the difference between a stock Squier pick up and a Fender customshop '59 (or so) pick up? I can hardly tell the difference of most of then, Fender customshop, Seymour Duncan, DiMarzio... they're all the best, aren't they?
The difference between the two guitars of mine isn't that small and they both have the same pick ups, but sound completely different, as if they have different pick ups. But it's not.
Your point about the MTC is not worth the money I paid for is clear KB.
There are also people out there who buy a lot of gear, but never let hear how they sound or how they play. Or IF they play.
I know someone who has a Stratocaster hanging on the wall as sort of decoration, seriously.
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As long as you actually listen to the sound, instead of just taking MIJF's word for it (have you tested the MTC, btw?)!
Read my previous posts commenting on the soundclips Creamstrat and Stratman70 has made. As I said, the MTC do make a difference, but the difference is very similar to a treble bleed. Even Dawk has called it a "halicaster treble bleed". In fact, I think I used the words "treble bleed" before mijf used it here at the forum, after those soundclips got posted!?!
If you read Stratman70s last post, you can see for yourself his comment on the effect from the MTC when the guitar is plugged in front of a PC. It gives a slight boost, and not much more. If that's worth $350...OK! Wouldn't it be much smarter to install a treble bleed yourself at a cost of maybe $5?
Funny thing, after those soundclips came along it seems the Dawkforum has died. Why not post those soundclips over at his forum? At least he can use it as proof that the MTC make a subtle difference.
I repeat the question: have you tried the MTC?
Well I haven't, nor the RBTC, and like I've always said, that's why I don't comment just what they do to the sound. Nor do I claim to know what these things *actually* do. The guys here have posted great soundclips of them using a certain piece of equipment. But you only get to hear what they do for *their* sound. Not yours!
Finally, what is to "do much" to a sound? Like I said before, why not go out, try out a guitar to hear if you like it, and then buy it if you like it? Why order all kinds of stuff via mail? And then buy more stuff via mail to make it work?
I wouldn't buy a guitar, or a car, or a boat without trying it out first myself.
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I repeat the question: have you tried the MTC?
Finally, what is to "do much" to a sound?
No! It's way to expencive, and that's why I didn't buy it in the first place. Second, it couldn't be verified until recently (if you go by the interview over at Dawks) that Blackmore used one. Third, it's a treble bleed at $350, and I may be able to install my own at $5.
To "do much" to a sound? If I understand you right.... Well, I bought myself a Gibson Les Paul Standard. I wanted a sound like D.ickey Betts' current sound, and it didn't give me that in stock shape. I switched the Burstbucker Pros (crappy pu's as they are) for WCR pu's "BetSet" and also the WCR wiring since the stock pots on a Gibson don't work very well. I also ordered a tube set up from Dougs Tubes. I sent him YouTube clips of Betts, and Doug recommended a set of tubes for my Marshall. Well, with that set up I obtained the sound I was after. Why? Because I love the Betts tone. I find it to be fantastic, and I wanted it. There's no way you can get that from anything stock.
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I repeat the question: have you tried the MTC?
Finally, what is to "do much" to a sound?
No! It's way to expencive, and that's why I didn't buy it in the first place. Second, it couldn't be verified until recently (if you go by the interview over at Dawks) that Blackmore used one. Third, it's a treble bleed at $350, and I may be able to install my own at $5.
To "do much" to a sound? If I understand you right.... Well, I bought myself a Gibson Les Paul Standard. I wanted a sound like D.ickey Betts' current sound, and it didn't give me that in stock shape. I switched the Burstbucker Pros (crappy pu's as they are) for WCR pu's "BetSet" and also the WCR wiring since the stock pots on a Gibson don't work very well. I also ordered a tube set up from Dougs Tubes. I sent him YouTube clips of Betts, and Doug recommended a set of tubes for my Marshall. Well, with that set up I obtained the sound I was after. Why? Because I love the Betts tone. I find it to be fantastic, and I wanted it. There's no way you can get that from anything stock.
I don't think either of us really knows what the MTC is. You're just repeating what MIJF - whose partner tore a MTC unit apart and built his own - has told you.
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1) I don't think either of us really knows what the MTC is.
2) You're just repeating what MIJF - whose partner tore a MTC unit apart and built his own - has told you.
1) So Dawk was lying when he said it is a "Halicaster Treble Bleed"? It certainly acts like a treble bleed, but no one really knows the cap values Dawk is using.
2) No Rezi, I don't! It was I who told him, via mail, that the MTC reminded me of treble bleeds you can listen to over at YouTube.
Mijf has never said to me, here or in private, that he tore his MTC apart. Quite recently he said to me that it would be fun to x-ray it to try and determine what capvalues there are, and he's even said that I could borrow his MTC to try if I can get it to work in case he did something wrong installing it. He did, together with his tech, investigate the MTC to find out what it did/ did not do, and you can read all about it in his posts.
Rezi, the reason I became a part of this debate, was as follows. I bought a RBTC from mijf around Christmastime 2007 for my Blackmore Strat. After I ordered it I found out about Dawk and his MTC. I became a member at his forum, and in my first post I asked if any of the other members had heard about this RBTC unit. Within about an hour I was thrown out of the forum. The excuse I got was that they though I was trying to sell the RBTC over at the Dawksite. I may be stupid, but I'm not that stupid! Jerry "Goebbels" should learn to read before he become a moderator of a forum.
I contacted Dawk, but he couldn't/ didn't want to help. It was all up to Jerry. Well, I had to wait a year before the ban was over. During that year I tested the RBTC, and it gave me what I wanted soundwise. The Dawk fan club started to stalk me because I gave it good reviews, and they started to slag me off over at some othe gear forums. They even told me that my RBTC didn't work. In the same breath they told me and others that it was a copy of the MTC. What does that tell you about the MTC? Quite right, the MTC doesen't work since the RBTC doesen't work, and as you know the RBTC is "stolen technology" and a "copy" of the MTC. How dumb is it humanly possible to be???? I suspect you'll find the answer somewhere over at the Dawk forum.
Another thing, one of the worst a..holses over at the forum, nick SteveStrat, tried to buy RBTC units to install into his Blackmoreish guitars that he was putting together for sale (he runs his own business). When exposed he got banned, but Steve's got a effective tongue so he managed to lick and suck his way back to the forum. What a pathetic piece of s..t wrapped in human skin! He is the one who started campaign after campaign against mijf, and after some time he tried to buy RBTC units himself???
You know what? The RBxx products works for me 'cause I was after the early Purple sound and the SIUA sound. Those products helped me to obtain that sound, so why shouldn't I defend them against liers with their own agenda? Why shouldn't I give good reviews? I knew it wasn't stolen technology a long time ago, but it was useless to try and tell the Dawk-Brigade that. They insisted it was stolen. Well, the soundsamples proves that the MTC and RBTC operate quite differently, and that is also comfirmed by people who own both. How could it be stolen technology or a copy? The RBTC acts quite opposite to a treble bleed. The MTC acts like a treble bleed.
Puh.....
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Thanks for being throughout KB.
The only thing I was puzzled about was that you kind of suggested RB's early DP sound and SIUA sound are similar ("that sound").
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Thanks for being throughout KB.
The only thing I was puzzled about was that you kind of suggested RB's early DP sound and SIUA sound are similar ("that sound").
The early DP sound (70/ 71-74/ early 75) and the SIUA sound (94ish-97) was IMO Blackmores best sound ever. His sound went downhill during his Rainbow years and DP reunion years. It started out quite good, but ended very badly in the late 70s and got even worse during the 80s. It got way better around the S&M record, but IMO he got it perfectly right around the 90s Rainbow reunion. Mind you, my opinion on this has got nothing to do with Dawk. Blackmore decided what sound he wanted himself, and Dawk (if he did the mods) did what he was told to.
The last couple of times I've seen Purple I've been thinking "what if Blackmore was on stage with his Engl amps...". Having seen Rainbow two times in the 90s I know that the Engl sound he obtained would've suited Purple so amazingly perfect. Have a look at the Rockpalast concert (Ariel intro, Black Masquerade etc.) and you'll know what I mean. It's so powerful!!!
Well, with my set up containing the Marshall I've had to do some tweaking and modding to obtain the sounds I want. I'm not saying I can nail Blackmore' sound, but I can come very close. The easiest sound to get with my set up would be the Machine Head era sound, and that's just so "nasty"! It's a little harder to get the exact SIUA sound, but with the booster I'm fairly close.
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