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One get more bad Gillan shows today than Blackmore ever played in Purple
 
Can't agree with you on that one. I've seen Gillan live many times, first time during the Toolbox tour and last time in 2006 (will see Purple just in a few days now), and I haven't seen any of those "bad" shows yet. Gillan has delivered every time. The show that was "bad" was the one I saw during the Bananas tour, but that wasn't because of Gillan. It was because of the whole band, who did look, and sounded, a bit tired.
I don't expect Gillan to sound like he is 25, but I expect him to do his best. Most of the time I think he do exactly that- give it his best. I know he can't do all those high screams anymore, but to me it isn't about screaming. It's about singing, and no one can seriously say that he can't sing. He can!
The bootleg from Koln shows a band firing on all, and Gillan is pitch perfect. There are some pretty impressive singing (and screaming) during that show.
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Re: The best quality S&M concert
It's good for the band and good for the fans that there are still people out who loves it and excuse much.
Btw. the opinions about the Cologne-show also differ much. There are really different ears in this world, I think.
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8/8/2008, 15:06
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It's good for the band and good for the fans that there are still people out who loves it and excuse much.
Btw. the opinions about the Cologne-show also differ much. There are really different ears in this world, I think.
I don't feel the need to excuse anything. I know Gillans history well enough. The drinking, smoking and so on, but that's none of my business really.
I've heard (and seen) lots of bootlegs from the reunion years up until now, and I'm being honest when I say that I think he sings better today than he did in the eighties and into the ninties (not counting the Toolboxtour) .
Gillan has bad nights, no doubt, but IMO he also makes mistakes like going on stage while he has a cold, fever or whatever (see the Live Encounters DVD, the Paris show from the Perfect Strangers Tour). He shouldn't do that! I also know that he's not putting on a good performance if he's been drinking the night before. That's not professional, and as a fan I expect more of him!
But, all in all, I think both the band and Gillan put on a great show these days (and I'm not using any excuses to think that).
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The band still puts on a good show and Gillan can still sing OK when he doesn't try to turn back the clock. Most of the pre-reunion stuff is just too difficult for his present voice. I don't think that he can really do justice to his solo work, either, at least his music leading into the voice-killing Sabbath debacle.
This leads me to this point. The Sabbath stint just wrecked his voice. Instead of taking rest like his doctor ordered, he went on this killing spree of just screaming constantly with the Sabs. If you listen to his albums leading up to Sabbath and check out what live stuff is available, he sounds excellent. A great version of 'New Orleans' from '82 sums up what he could still do.
Now check out his Sabbath output. You can hear on the album that his voice, which still had plenty of power, was a little drier and harsher. On the live stuff you could hear his voice just going south as the tour wore on. There are some really good early versions of 'Zero The Hero', 'Paranoid', 'H&H' and others from '83, but most of the things from '84, when I saw them, are pretty grim. Believe me, it was a real wheeze-fest. Way too much screaming. Some of the songs, like 'Paranoid', where he didn't have to pound his vocal chords actually sounded pretty good, but most were pretty harsh. 
If you compare 'PS' with his solo albums, you can really hear the difference that a few years made. He was struggling ot hit notes that were effortless in '82. 'HOBL' continued the trend downward. Live was more of the same. I caught them in Detroit twice on the 'PS' tour. The first one was excellent and should be released as a whole show and the second was very good but he was a bit harsh on the higher notes. The guitar/vocal duel should never have been attempted, though, it was terrible.
I caught an excellent 'HOBL' show here in Toledo, which was better than anything that is on 'NP'. The band was on fire and Ian sounded very, very good. Why they picked the shows that ended up on 'NP' when shows like Toledo's are probably available, is beyond me. I makes me cringe that they picked some of Gillan's worst performances to put on that album.
Either way, I thought that he came back well on 'TBRO', singing in his now more growly-style voice. Like it or not, he was a ton better here than on 'HOBL' and 'PS' and showed what he could do when he didn't try to sing like pre-Sabbath Gillan.
As for the new, Morse-era albums, I think that he does quite well. He sings songs in a way that he is capable of singing and the sound is a huge improvement over the Sabbath and MKIIb stuff. I much prefer to hear him sing the new songs, along with some of the MKIIb & c tunes, as they were written for how he sings now and he doesn't have Ritchie trying to drive him where he can't go any more.   They could drop most of the MKIIa tunes from their set, rotating a couple in-and-out, and I think that we and the band would all be better off for it.
I am sure that some of you will think that I am slamming Gillan, the man responsible for getting me interested in Purple. Not so. I just wish that he would have said no to Iommi and Geezer and taken another year off, saving and restoring his voice. I think that you would have heard an incredible DP reunion with Ian in top form, which probably would have energized Blackmore big-time and prevented the Turner era and probably the Morse and BN eras as well.
Wishful thinking? Maybe. But it would have been nice.
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I agree with you on most points, but.... I really think Gillan do some of the old MKIIa songs quite well today too. There are a few numbers they should be "careful" to use to much, but I think that he do most of the older numbers well. Then again, I dont expect him to do them as good as he once did like it seems some do.
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9/8/2008, 13:52
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I just wish that he would have said no to Iommi and Geezer and taken another year off, saving and restoring his voice. I think that you would have heard an incredible DP reunion with Ian in top form, which probably would have energized Blackmore big-time and prevented the Turner era and probably the Morse and BN eras as well.
Very interesting theory, although I doubt that Ian's problems with his voice were the only reason why Ritchie didn't want to work with him. Ritchie was annoyed about Ian forgetting his lyrics again and again, and in this point I agree with Ritche.
Anyway, it's not Ian Gillan whose performance prevents me from visiting the shows. It's Steve Morse.
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It is possible that Gillan may have actually tried to be more professional and remember the lyrics and not go out as much, drinking, smoking and losing his voice. Ritchie mentions that in some of his interviews and calls it totally unprofessional.
Either way, I just listened to the live version of 'New Orleans' from '82. Wow! I wish that he could have sounded half that good in the Sabs and MKIIb Purple. Great stuff!
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Regarding Ostrava, listen to the bootleg, but do not watch the pro shot footage from the show. You will grow increasingly angry as you watch JLT slap his own ass and generally make a mockery of the great performance that the band is delivering.
Musically, the tour was a harbinger of the heights they would scale on the Battle tour. Vocally, it was a million times worse than Gillan's worst night. JLT's tenure with the band was shameful. The only highlights for Turner are the live performances of the S&M songs.
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Anyway, it's not Ian Gillan whose performance prevents me from visiting the shows. It's Steve Morse.
Why ?
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lightintheblack0: You confused the quote tags a bit, the sentence about Steve Morse was from me.
I simply don't like Steve's playing in Deep Purple. For reasons that have been discussed often enough here. His guitar sound and playing style doesn't fit to songs like Perfect Strangers in my opinion.
And no, I don't want to convince anyone else about that, I'm just answering your question.
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