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Sonic Quality of Original DP Vinyl's
Back in day (early 70's) when i first got these recordings i had to listen to them on a little mono record player (the one with the lid and two knobs on the front). Over the years we progressed to a stereograme and now 36 years later i listen on my sons technic 1210's with mackie monitors.
Anyway, my point is this, from day one some of these albums just sounded better than others.
In Rock ..... always had the most amazing warm quality, me and my young lady of the time used to listen to it in mono with the bedroom light out. Happy days.
Fireball ...... um .... always fond of this album, but sonically it never seemed to have the depth of In Rock, remastered it myself recently in Logic 7 with a psp vintage warmer, but No No No still sounds tepid, like wise my vinyl 7inch of SKOW.
Machine Head .... very much like fireball, always prefered the tracks on Made in Japan.
Made In Japan ..... awesome sonic quality, much better than any of the remastered CD releases.
WDWTWA ..... great sound from start to finish, actually enjoy every track in sequence on this too (i know not many will agree with this).
Burn ..... once again a great warm album with plenty of sonic depth.
If i had to rate them they would be in this order
1. WDWTWA
2. BURN
3. MADE IN JAPAN
4. IN ROCK
5. MACHINE HEAD
6. FIREBALL
I'm not talking best albums or tracks or recordings, i'm talking the best sounding Vinyls. Also did anybody else used to notice how those crappy paper inner sleeves used to (fine) scratch certain types of vinyl (from about 72 onwards) as soon as you slipped them out?. And does anybody miss the Harvest inner sleeve with such bands as Quatermass and Bakerloo fueling the imagination?
Some Vinyl not only sounded better than others but also felt better, but thats another topic.
By the way, one the best sounding piece's of vinyl in my collection has to be Uriah Heeps 'Look at yourself"
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22/6/2007, 14:20
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Re: Sonic Quality of Original DP Vinyl's
My first record player with sapphire stylus in mono and two knobs sounded that what tinny and hollow that I couldn't here any difference.
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22/6/2007, 16:02
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Al Erikson
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I had exactly the same feeling as yours about In Rock (vinyl) and... Look at Yourself.
(I remember Hard Loving Man and its stereophonic effect at the end of the song causing me physical "pain")
I was quite impressed by the purity of Gillan's voice, Lord's Hammond and Ritchie's Gibson or Stratocaster on the vinyl pressing. In Rock was really one of the few albums I played on my turntable more often than on my CD player...
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I had to experience the albums first on an old mono radiogramme. Very lo-fi! Thus, I couln't tell what was a good sound or not. However, in more recent years, I've thought that the 'In Rock' sound is something I don't like much; in fact, I don't find it warm at all but rather muddy. I prefer 'Fireball' and 'Machine Head', though I agree that 'Burn', 'MIJ' and 'WDWTWA' sound the best. Having said that, my stereo is hardly top of the range, so what do I know?
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I certainly know what you mean, try playing Burn back2back with Stormbringer,the sound of Stormbringer sucks.
You are both right about In Rock, everytrack seems to have a depth. It would be interesting to hear an engineers viewpoint on this, is it the mastering? the cutting? or is it the early thicker plastic?
I too think that MH sounds sort of odd compared to WDWTWA.
My Robin Trower record of 'for earth below' also seems to have this quality.
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22/6/2007, 16:43
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Singing Bear
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quote:
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And does anybody miss the Harvest inner sleeve with such bands as Quatermass and Bakerloo fueling the imagination?
Oh yes, those were the days. I could stare at those sleeves for hours wondering what these bands sounded like. Really did make you want to get out there and hear it all.
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22/6/2007, 16:46
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However, in more recent years, I've thought that the 'In Rock' sound is something I don't like much; in fact, I don't find it warm at all but rather muddy. range
I have an IN ROCK from a different pressing as well, it hasn't got the gatefold cover, i think it was a budget release from the 80's just before CD's hit, this version sounds dreadfull, but my original which i probably got in about '71 sounds amazing, it has heavier vinyl, i don't know if this makes a difference.
I also have two copies of Mclaughlin/Santana 'love devotion surrender' ..... and the earlier one which is on a heavier vinyl also sounds 'phatter'.
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Lp's are really something special!
Maybe, it's simply a question of nostalgia, but somehow I doubt it. I was recently thinkin about getting rid of my Lp collection (except for the dP)since I got pretty much everything in both cd's and lp's, but I just couldn't!
Anyway my dP's Lp rating would be:
Burn
Made In Japan
In Rock
WdwtWa
Stormbringer
Fireball
Machine Head
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23/6/2007, 13:36
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mooger9
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quote:
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Lp's are really something special!
Maybe, it's simply a question of nostalgia, but somehow I doubt it.
It's not nostalgia some recordings really do sound inferior on CD, even some of the remasters and remixes.
As Cloud 10 said it would be good to have some input from somebody with some technical knoweldge.
I would even go so far as to say that the sound is even quite noticeably different between the Harvest vinyl and the Purple (label) vinyl, maybe it was different manufactuers i don't know. But somebody must.
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Re: Sonic Quality of Original DP Vinyl's
Of course, the sonic experience is superior on (good) vinyl, than on CD. Music is analogue, and the ears perception is analogue. CD's are lossy, and in general, in quite bad quality, afterall, it's only 16 bits. 44100 samples a second, but still only 16 bits a sample.
You can have 2 vinyls (of the same LP from the same label), and still experience differences in the sonic quality. If you get the first pressing and you've got the last pressing from that master disc, there will be differences. The master gets worn out.
That's why audiophiles signed up to get the first pressing. Not to have it earlier, but to get the best sonic quality available.
The quality of the vinyl itself is also a sonic concern. Afterall, the stylus has to get into vibration from the "groove".
Like with a guitar, there's big difference if you use a plectrum or your finger to get a "D", though, it's still a "D".
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