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Thankfully I've never been in a war. I used to be an officer in the army, so I've trained for war, and one of the things that I remember most vividly from our excercises is the total chaos and loss of control (and that is TRAINING, what must the real thing be?)... For some reason the film resonated with me, and perhaps the above explains it in part.
I'm 33 years old... the film worked for me but I guess I said that already he he he
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Now I got you, Candy. But I'm still at my point of view. I thought about the war-movies that are real masterpieces in my opinion, so here they are:
"Platoon" and "Salvodor" by Stone
"Sophie's choice" by Alan Pakula
"Savior" with Dennis Quade
"Apocalipse now" by Coppola
"Go and See" (or "Come and See") by Elem Klimov (Russia, 1985)
"Death and the maiden" by Polansky.
Well, that's my personal view, of coarse. I haven't seen all war movies. But this list is of those films, which can brek one's heart, real dramas. Sometimes I'd like to forget some plots and not to think about it...
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Ah, thank you for the list! I'm always so wrapped up with all the movies out in the theaters - sometimes I forget that renting movies is quite a treat.
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Hope, you'll find some of them, Steph. And I did a mistake again - the second Stone's movie is "Salvador". And in mosts of this movies there aren't huge battles, just horrible human stories. Are you ready? Tell me your opinion after seeing any of them.
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why could a movie work for an 18 year old but not for a 32? bear brothers - get that one, but black hawk down? i am 18, i mean, don't get me wrong i don't feel offended, but.... where is the difference. referring to candy, that makes sense, but. i don't understand.
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I thought the movie was really good but I was aware of the background story. I hadn't read the book yet (have read it thrice now) but remember when it happened all too well. Also studied this as a case study in one of my politics classes around the time I saw the movie on DVD.
To me, this wasn't an 'action' film as much as real life. And in real life, war has some action.
I'm also a war movie junkie though and remember getting in 'fights' with friends because I thought Thin Red Line was much better than Saving Private Ryan.
BTW, Apocalypse Now is still probably my fave, but the Director's Cut was just horrible.
Also like Three Kings. The politics of all the sides was so very realistic, even if 'going for the gold' was not.
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I loved Black Hawk Down(maybe "loved" isn't quite the word, it's heavy going but brilliant IMO). I think it is probably one of, if not the, best "battle" movie ever made, in terms of purely focusing on the effects of a single battle on the soldiers as it is happening. Showing how the soldiers got through it individually and together and what those kids, because they were mostly kids, were willing to do for each other. And in showing that single battle and how the soldiers dealt with it, exemplifying something universal about war and soldiering.
The battle is the story, plain and simple. I read the book and the book is brilliant reporting as well.
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I think you will enjoy the book, even though Hoot was a composite of several Delta members. But I'm probably not the one to go to for a recommendation as I just tear through books on military strategy.
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quote: BBC Reviewer's Rating- FOUR STARS
User Rating - FOUR STARS
Black Hawk Down (2002)
Reviewed by Jamie Russell
Updated 17 January 2002
On Sunday 3rd October 1993, 140 US soldiers stormed the Bakara Market in Mogadishu, Somalia, to capture two lieutenants in the service of a local warlord. What should have been a simple search and capture operation lasting under an hour, turned into a hellish battle in a foreign city that didn't end until the following morning, when the troops were finally evacuated. The US army suffered its heaviest losses since the Vietnam War.
As a war film, "Black Hawk Down" is first rate. It's exciting, well paced, and full of lots of action. Director Ridley Scott proves to be at home with the adrenalin rush of modern technological warfare, piling on the firefights, helicopter crashes, and bloody carnage. Continuing the visceral tradition of war films post-"Saving Private Ryan", "Black Hawk Down" scatters body parts round the screen like confetti.
The problem is that its subject - American soldiers fighting Somali Muslims - is too close to the current world situation to suit a no-brains action story. In a belated attempt to mould the film to suit the post-September 11th climate, the film makers have added a series of opening and closing titles that desperately try to say something about the Battle of Mogadishu's wider significance, but these simply seem hastily written and ill advised.
"Black Hawk Down" doesn't so much lose sight of the political factors behind the action, as never actually notice them until after the event - making it less a film about the American experience in Somalia than a patriotic airbrushing of what was actually America's worst day of combat since Vietnam.
The only parallel it really wants us to draw with the contemporary international situation is a facile message about the US of A as an ass-kicking superpower - and that's why it gets top marks for the action; zero marks for the message.
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