Gaditano
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Change of Moderators
I have changed who the moderators on the forum. I have made all the board members moderators and removed the others.
This is a definition of a Global Moderator:
"Moderators have global privileges on your message board. Only the board owner, and board administrators can define or revoke moderators. Moderators have moderation powers, which are deleting, editing, moving topics and posts, user banning and unbanning, closing or reopening topics, making topics sticky. Moderators can not define new moderators, or revoke existing ones."
--- Alan Bliven - Circus Lofts
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4/17/2009, 9:06 am
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flatheadfisher
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Re: Change of Moderators
Ah, I see now. Thanks for the advanced notice and the explanation.
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4/18/2009, 5:49 am
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Re: Change of Moderators
BTW, I have read every thread since I became a moderator. I have been very busy with work but I found time several times each day to be sure things were OK with this forum. I am really shocked that this change would be made without talking to me first or at least sending me an email as a warning.
This is the sort of thing that keeps these clubs from working. I have been frustrated with the club several times in the past. I have heard the rumors about some of the club's leaders and how they work. I ignored all of these rumors. After the newsletter came out, I received lots of emails that I didn't appreciate. I am not one to spread ill-will, gossip, and rumor so I deleted them. But, I did find it frustrating that people saw my involvement in the club and thought I was something I am not. I also received some criticism from folks that was constructive and some that wasn't. However, I knew I didn't have the time to do the newsletter like I wanted to. If that pissed you all off then so be it.
I really didn't like the way the logo was handled. I suggested that the membership vote on it and that didn't happen. I didn't care if you all used my stuff or not but I did think the membership should have a say. All you had to do was put up several choices and let people vote. It isn't much of a club if four or five people make the decisions.
I also think the clubs balance sheet should be published in the bulletin so everyone can see what is going on with the clubs funds. I think it is a good idea to have the treasurer bonded.
I think the clubs leaders spend too much time thinking about the rules and the policies and not enough time thinking about how to make the club a fun thing for members that will, at the same time, promote the club's mission. For example, how many people are qualified to be a "fly director?" I sure as heck can't do it - I have never been to a competition.
The last time I opened my "month," I wish I had kept it shut. But, I like the idea of this club and I hate to see it fold.
Last edited by flatheadfisher, 4/18/2009, 6:10 am
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4/18/2009, 6:06 am
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Bill Sampson
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Re: Change of Moderators
In defense of this forum,
I will not go into what happens behind closed doors (like the BOD meetings). But if memory serves Michael, you were the one who said, I quit as Editor, as it’s just to much stress. That means IMO, you have just resigned from the BOD. I was very sorry for your actions and I believe I sent you e-m’s to that intent. To my knowledge at this point, you have not stepped forward to anyone on the Board, that you still wish to be on it, in any office.
By reading the first post of this thread (by Alan, the Pres.), he explains what he is doing and that was to make all ‘known’ BOD’s as moderators. If your not on the Board…., then that does not include you. (Read the above again.)
I for one was not asked, nor received any communication that Alan was going to do the above. I disagreed w/ it as soon as I read it (here) and so have resigned myself from that position, as of this date.
Again Michael, I deeply regretted your being stressed, but can understand how life can do things to us that we don’t expect. But.., we do have to be responsible for our actions and therefore, when you removed yourself from the BOD…., you were out of the loop. Sorry…., I have missed you there.
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4/18/2009, 6:47 am
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Michael, I don't know why you were pulled out from the moderators position.You did resign from the editors position because you said you didn't have the time or want to be involved. Maybe Alan thought you meant all your positions,I don't know.If anybody tells you the newsletter was no good,tell them to get off their a$$ and volunteer to do it better!!! As far as the logo goes,it was voted on by the board whether to put it out for membership vote or not. It didn't pass so that's how it goes. I wanted some things done the other way as well,but they got voted down. That's how it works. Now I'm trying my best to get things working,not crying because the vote didn't go my way. We're trying to get the shirts done as fast as possible and it was enough of a pain just having the board vote on the pic,never mind the whole membership. It's only a freaking picture for christ's sake,I can't beleive people would get that upset over it.Why won't anyone speak up about any problems they have with the club or it's officers or members. Seems like the guys that are the most upset just act like a bunch of candy asses and have to spread bull**** around by email.Right now the board is trying to get everything up and running. At the next elections any member in good standing can be nominated for any position in the club.Until then why doesn't everyone make their feelings known. I got blasted last time for argueing on the forum with Alan. To me it's much better to have that stuff out for everyone to see,instead of all the behind the back bull****. I have nothing against you and told you that in an email when you resigned ,so don't take this post as a slam against you,it's not. I'm just getting very tired of guys with not enough balls to act like men,instead they gossip around like little school girls!!!!
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4/18/2009, 6:57 am
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Alan Bliven
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The change in moderators shouldn't be a big deal because it's a job that doesn't need any attention. Though I appreciate you reading every post, there was no need for it. There's nothing really to moderate. We don't get a lot of outsiders coming in here causing trouble.
I thought you did a good job with the newsletter. Sorry you had to take a lot of crap. Think what I had to take last year by doing almost everything myself. I had people that had grudges against the old club 10 years old lay it on me, besides all the other arrows, bullets and knives in my back. No biggie, sure, it wears on me but it just goes with the territory. I just consider them jealous people seething with hate and I feel sorry for them. I am a happy and positive person who tries to like everyone. I don't have a place for hate, envy and misery.
Nick is right on one thing, with the BOD's you will get voted down sometimes, I know I have been voted down. That's just how the system works. Last year we didn't have such a system, it was basically all me. This year and for all future years we need such a system and installing it will take some time and maybe some hurt feelings. So be it, it must be done. That's why the BOD's is spending so much time on these issues right now. The future of the club is being ironed out and established.
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4/18/2009, 7:38 am
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flatheadfisher
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Re: Change of Moderators
quote: Bill Sampson wrote:
In defense of this forum,
I am sorry you feel like you have to defend the forum from me. I don't feel like I was attacking the forum.
I will not go into what happens behind closed doors (like the BOD meetings). But if memory serves Michael, you were the one who said, I quit as Editor, as it’s just to much stress. That means IMO, you have just resigned from the BOD. I was very sorry for your actions and I believe I sent you e-m’s to that intent. To my knowledge at this point, you have not stepped forward to anyone on the Board, that you still wish to be on it, in any office.
It had been pointed out that I wasn't a member of the board. I didn't say that I "quit" as editor. I agreed to help as "co-editor." Alan had too much to do to continue as co-editor and I didn't have time to do it all myself as things have changed for me in my work life. Therefore, I suggested that someone else take on the position. When you write that I "quit" it makes it sound like I did it because I was displeased with the job. That isn't the case. I just do not have the time to do it justice. I hope that makes sense.
By reading the first post of this thread (by Alan, the Pres.), he explains what he is doing and that was to make all ‘known’ BOD’s as moderators. If your not on the Board…., then that does not include you. (Read the above again.)
I for one was not asked, nor received any communication that Alan was going to do the above. I disagreed w/ it as soon as I read it (here) and so have resigned myself from that position, as of this date.
I have no problem being removed as a moderator. I was miffed that I didn't have any warning about it. I realize Alan didn't think it was a big job. Still, it was one I took seriously and I did make it a point to do it to the best of my ability.
See my above comments about being on the board.
You are a good member of the board and you would be a good moderator.
Again Michael, I deeply regretted your being stressed, but can understand how life can do things to us that we don’t expect. But.., we do have to be responsible for our actions and therefore, when you removed yourself from the BOD…., you were out of the loop. Sorry…., I have missed you there.
Again, see my comments about not being on the board. I wasn't on it so, I couldn't have removed myself. I was frustrated to be removed. It would be easy for a casual reader to think I did somethin wrong or was kicked off for being a problem. I have tried to help this club and I was very frustrated when I saw I had been removed with no warning - I didn't find the explanation here until I had read some other posts. I did not receive any personal communication that I had been removed.
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4/21/2009, 7:03 pm
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I have let this sit for several days but I felt like I needed to explain (defend, maybe) my thinking. Bill, I picked your quote to respond to because it was the first one. But, my thinking applies to the posts of others also.
For the record, I hold no grudges towards anyone on this forum or in the club. I wasn't a member of the board officially so I couldn't have resigned. I was given the chance to become the sole editor of the newsletter but I declined because I do not currently have the time required to do a good job with it.
Sorry for the bold print above. I was trying to distinguish my comments from the quote. It wasn't a way to express "yelling."
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4/21/2009, 7:07 pm
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Gaditano
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I apologize Michael for not speaking with you first about the change in moderators. I honestly didn't know you were taking the job seriously. I just viewed it as a position that no one paid much attention to because there was not much need real for it. Regardless, I should have been more considerate.
I do miss you on the board. You were not playing politics by being more of a problem than an asset. I don't blame you for getting out of it. It's too bad though that we had to lose such a good person as yourself.
--- Alan Bliven - Circus Lofts
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4/21/2009, 10:18 pm
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No problem, Alan. I didn't think I was on the board because of something someone said about the club's rules. Anyway, I am happy to help as I can and the club will get past these little road bumps.
--- Michael
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4/22/2009, 10:35 am
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