Mud Hen Just reading the summer bulletin and Dennis Radi had the colors of the original imports from Germany. He said that he thought the Mud maybe indigo.
My old pair are a Black cоck and a Mud hen. They produce both Hens and cоcks in black, both Hens and cоcks in mud and a Ember cоck.
Dennis I hope this will help in figuring out what color these Mud birds are.
Also the Mud color birds go into the roll much faster then the other colors from this pair
Re: Mud Hen I had a bird that moulted out looking like a tuff last year. He was bred in a single mating pen. I sent him to Bruce Kuhlman as a young bird. He didnt even look close to a tuff then. Bruce sent him back to me in the bunch. He looks just like a tuff in a picture but beside another true tuff you can see he is counterfiet. No mud birds yet.
Re: Mud Hen Hi Bob, I had a red that looked like the one in the last pic.It had the darker body feathers and a dark tail band.I have a pic of him and will post it with the others I'm putting up.He was out of my origional Fehrholz birds.He might have been the father to the smoky t-pattern check kite that I posted a pic of a while ago,but I'm not sure.I hatched those birds probably 7-9 years ago,so I can't remember all the details.Someone on here said my squeak looked like it was also carrying recessive red and undergrizzle,it might have been Dennis.I never had a mud bird,pretty neat color though.Every time I think of my first Fehrholz birds,I wish I had some of them back! Nick
--- Nick Grzywacz
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"I hope he doesn't catch that black mottle.....AWH $%*%!!!!"
Re: Mud Hen Bob you made my ears perk up when I saw your Mud birds. The Mud is in the pedigee's of my birds but I never did raise one. Please tell me what genetic color that is? I don't know if anybody has ID'd the genotype yet.
If the Mud's have short down then they are dilute Spread Black (dun). Note: silver is the dilute of Blue.
Ember you say! It wasn't that easy to let the Buff's and Tuff's go to Paul (sippi) but I had to cut back to make room for Racing Homers. I knew that Chris (he lives two miles away) had them because I gave him a few pairs. He kept the Fehrholz and Alan got the Husbands. Now Alan only lives 50 miles away. So if I get the itch I know who has some.
I did get some Catalonian Tumblers and I mated two T-Ck together and did raise a ember, and two birds I bought are also ember. One of the young hens was a pale ember (gold) but her first egg killed her (egg bound). What I am getting at is some of these genes need to be doubled up to show (phenotype) ex. bar pattern, dilute or pale cоck birds, and ember must be the same?
If the mud is a dilute, I hope the gene is still carried in my birds. That's dun, silver, yellow and dilute Almonds.
Last edited by rollerdoneks, 7/24/2008, 3:25 pm
--- Dennis L. Radi
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Re: Mud Hen Dennis they did not have short down but it was almost a white color. I do not have any idea what genotype it is. I plan on breeding the brother & sister togeather and see what I get. I am going to send the mud old hen to Kelly in Canada.
If you have any ideas on what I need to do to fine out what color they are let me know and I will give it a try.
Dennis they did not have short down but it was almost a white color. I do not have any idea what genotype it is. I plan on breeding the brother & sister togeather and see what I get. I am going to send the mud old hen to Kelly in Canada.
If you have any ideas on what I need to do to fine out what color they are let me know and I will give it a try.
Hey Kel,feel free to throw that hen in the package with the prawns and salmon!!!!! Nick
--- Nick Grzywacz
grzywacznkl@aol.com
"I hope he doesn't catch that black mottle.....AWH $%*%!!!!"
Re: Mud Hen This hen's sister looks just like one on your picture (I might post it latter).
They are produced of a dilute almond and black hen. Hen is of Nelsonns recesive red and black hen. With black (next to her) she give red and black with dilute.
I work with a lot of Indigo in other breeds of Pigeons. Can you show a good picture of the bird's tail spread out? The tail is a tell-tale (pardon the pun) sign if Indigo is involved or not.
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