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Re: FORs ability to outmanouver BOP,but are they ever caught?
I have had time off to think about and witness this as I moved one of my kit boxes(the twelve box) into the "kill zone". Migration has lasted longer this year than ever before and more attacks by more different breeds than ever before. I just started back flying my Fireballs and Galatis today. I tried a couple of times and paid for it. The trees are forty feet on one side, fifty yards on one, sixty yards on one, and twenty yards on one. One hundred year old hard woods.
I have been hit repeatedly by some type of hawk(looks like a falcon, not a merlin) as well as red tail, Merlin, coopers, sharp shin, perigrine, red shoulder, and some I didnt recognize.
For you Kel, I had a half black half white squeak hit in mid air as they took off by a Merlin and it rode him to the ground where they tussled and it got away. The same Merlin also caught an Arabian Trumpeter in mid flight like it was nothing. The Merlin are pesky as they will line out and chase a bird till he looses it and then chase another breaking the kits up.
At the risk of really causing a controversy I have found Perigrine the easiest to dodge since my first encounter which I have written about that I wasnt sure if I wanted to have another. The ones that hit from up high will hardly ever, if at all, catch a mature Oriental, as they seem to dodge out of the way at the last second.
After this two month migration  I would have to rank the cooper as number one adversary, the Merlin number two, what ever that one was as number three, the perigrine number four and all the rest as no contest.
I did have a juvenile eagle attack my mobile box a couple of days ago. He must have been really starving as he wasnt afraid of me at all. He let me get within ten feet of him and just sat in the sapling and watched me.
I will add to my list the losses in the last week, all to overflies from falcon attacks or that other bird? that was hitting me.
I have lost two Kellys, and the Buff Husband mentioned in another thread that I think rolled down. Both Kellys just went a miss after an unsuccessful attack by a BOP up high leading me to believe overfly.
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Re: FORs ability to outmanouver BOP,but are they ever caught?
Alan I tried to delete one of my double posts and it told me I had to be a moderator to delete it?
But for the update.
1-Birm that sat one the roof too long to a Cooper. The only Birm I lost all year.
3-Kellys one to a half mile toss that never returned and two to overflies.
1-half white half black squeak hit and taken to the ground but got away.
1-Galati when I tried to fly them too early to overfly
1-Fireball to an overfly when I tried to fly them too early also.
I havent been hit in three or four days so I think migration may be over. 
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Re: FORs ability to outmanouver BOP,but are they ever caught?
I've been flying ORs for about 8 months 3 to 4 days a week, I lost two squeaks that were not homed yet the last time I saw one flying it had 30' on the bop. I've seen countless attacks and I only know of one that lost a single feather that floated down after a ambush the bop chased him out of yard and he was back to loft 20 minutes later looking good. In this time I have lost at least a dozen Birmingham rollers and about 7 homers no ORs. I know my birds wining streak will come to an end some day, even this afternoon a bop tore into the OR kit as they were comming in, he missed diner tonight.
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Re: FORs ability to outmanouver BOP,but are they ever caught?
Back in August when this Cooper resident harasment started I had two Old German Owlls. They are light color and they were on the roof most of the time - like a bait. Well they are happy, helthy recently maried while 6 OR were picked. It dosn't make OGO superior just lucky at the time. I had period of 5 years with numerus atacks w/o a los.
But. What I want to say is this; If I loose all my OR to BOP I'll get new ones and fly them again. I can make a long list of reasons whay OR is #1 pigeon to me and none of those would mention BOPs. Eweryone has its own list and some people would put as #1 reson, ORs abbility to evade or at list fighting chance compare to many other flying pigeons, and I can and I do respect that. We all have diferent walks into this.
My policy is not to talk people into this hoby and espacialy into OR in particular. Those that are in I was and will suport as much as I can. So if you are in for BOP proof bird, sory I can't help, you got to look for help elswhere.
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Re: FORs ability to outmanouver BOP,but are they ever caught?
True enough Samir but you gotta give the breed a fair amount of credit for being better than many performing breeds at avoiding the BOP,at least from the reports on this forum.And I don't think these guys are BS'n us newbies just for the fun of it.
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Re: FORs ability to outmanouver BOP,but are they ever caught?
From what I have seen they are better than most,but I'll stick with what I always say,I think where you fly makes a much bigger difference.Only my opinion from what I have experienced here.(and from a couple other guys that fly as well)  Nick
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Re: FORs ability to outmanouver BOP,but are they ever caught?
Where you fly, the strain you keep and when you train are the biggest factors.
If you fly them next to large trees where the Coopers can ambush, your successes will be less
If you fly a strain of show birds, either German or American, your chances of success are less
If you attempt to train during Hawk season, your chances of success are less
If you attempt to train a strain of show birds, next to a lot of large trees, during hawk season, your success rate will be next to nothing.
To have the best success, fly away from a lot of large trees, fly a good flying strain and train during the off season for Hawks to give the birds a chance to mature and be in good flying shape before facing the Hawk wars.
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Re: FORs ability to outmanouver BOP,but are they ever caught?
Hah!!!Well,,,,I think I have the good strain part going for me!?I'm not too treed in here but the forest is close like 300 yards.One thing I have noticed tho is the birds are in the flypen,,most times it is safe to fly..Relatively.
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Re: FORs ability to outmanouver BOP,but are they ever caught?
You don't need 300 yards, only 50 or so. The problem is the Coopers sit in the trees close by and wait for the birds to take off, land or trap and that's when they attack. They catch the birds off guard. I don't believe there's a Raptor alive that can chase down and catch a well conditioned mature FOR from a good strain. Their only hope is ambush or with a young, out of condition or sick bird. I have never seen one taken. I have lost a lot of them due to Hawks but it's mostly because of over flies from settling squeekers at the wrong time of year.
I have a large tree in the neighbor's yard that the Coopers wait in ambush, so I always look around for Doves in my yard. They are my sign whether or not a Coopers is in that tree. If there's no Doves around, I know there's one in that tree and I won't let them out till the Doves come back. The Doves are always around because they scavenge spilled grain that the my Pigeons spill out through the wire bottoms of the lofts
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That's cool,I love to have Doves around like that and would have some here in my lofts if I had the room.My wild bird feeders out front give me a clue as to if the coop is around.Rarely see the quail out there in winter but when the sparrows and Toeeys dissapear I know the hawks are near.
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