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Re: FORs ability to outmanouver BOP,but are they ever caught?
Those are some dumb pigeons for just sitting there like that... they must be Yankee Pigeons. 
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Re: FORs ability to outmanouver BOP,but are they ever caught?
Hey Mike catch that one in the left corner for me,looks like a big female!!!  LOL!!! I'm training my bird for this year now. I caught a little 31 oz male and hope to slay some bunnies with him. My wife said a coopers hawk was ontop of my loft twice this week looking in for lunch. Nick
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Re: FORs ability to outmanouver BOP,but are they ever caught?
AlAN;
THEY ARE BLUE BARS AND BLUE BELLIES..........
TO WHOEVER;
IN REGUARDS TO THE NON MEMBER WHO SAID ''TOO MANY FOR'S FANTASY STORYS''- I ALTERNATE FLYING MY BIRDS [OR'S] EVERY DAY WEATHER PERMITTING AND THEY ARE ALL 2008 BIRDS FROM ALAN AND SIPPI PLUS SOME THAT I RAISED FROM ANOTHER LINE.I HAVE HAD MANY CLOSE ENCOUNTERS FROM BOP'S AND SEEN A FEW FEATHERS DROP HERE AND THERE BUT HAVEN'T LOST 1 BIRD[yet]BESIDES A ROLLDOWN.IM SURE THE DAY WILL COME WHEN I DO GET HIT BUT SINCE MARCH OF THIS YEAR,I'VE WITNESSED SOME AWESOME CHASES.AS LONG AS THE OR'S ARE AIRBOURN,THE BOP'S MAKE THE BIRDS FLY HIGHER AND STRONGER WHEN BEING PURSUED BUT THEY ARE EXPERT ON AMBUSHS.I DO CHECK THE WOODS BEFORE THEIR RELEASE TO AVOID AMBUSH'S.
I MUST ADMIT, I TOO HAD MY DOUBTS ABOUT THE BOP EVADERS AND SEEING IS BELIEVING.
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Re: FORs ability to outmanouver BOP,but are they ever caught?
Mike,
We'll work on him later once he joins up.
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Re: FORs ability to outmanouver BOP,but are they ever caught?
Nick,
Too bad i didn't know you sooner.I've had many BOP'S go through the traps in the first loft on the left before its been modified and secured.The smaller varietys of bop's would escape back through the traps and leave bird parts all over the floor &
i assumed it was a possom or coon until i seen the little rascal doing what he does best.I've also had coons,bop's and possoms pull the birds through the wired cage as they sat on perchs and im sure most of us witnessed that.This year the Bop's seem to like the taste of chicken better than pigeon.I've had bantam chickens go by my lofts in the talons of a coop and an occasional rhode island red in the talons of a red tail.
TO THE NON-BELIEVER;
This afternoons fly went very well.cool and overcast day and Ole MR.COOP was being harrassed by a single crow.Naturally i did what PAUL ''SIPPI'' Would do and sent up a kit of FOR'S..LOL for real !!!The birds went straight up and flew beyond the trees and almost out of sight and began doing their thing.The coop had no interest in the birds at all and was more interested in getting rid of the pain in the butt crow on his tail.
Theres still plenty of food in the woods [mice,squirrels,rabbits,my bantam babies,
etc] for the BOP'S but were approaching the dangerous part of the year when the preditors get more hungier
and more aggressive.
WHY DO CROWS CHASE THE HAWKS LIKE THAT ? TERRITORIAL? Seems to me the hawk can just tear him to threads?????
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Sippi,
I hope that you are right about the peregrine being number four. I get hit much more often by the peregrines. I think that there is a wide range of skill level even among the same species of BOP. I have heard guys talk about "their peregrine" never missing. I know that "my peregrine's" are only successful about 40% of the time. They create absolute havoc in the Birmingham's kit activity, and things don't settle down again until they fly BOP free a couple of times. The coopers rarely chase up after the kit, they will go up and perform at a high altitude, or unless they attract the peregrine up there. The coopers have caused several BOP related fly always however, because the kit will not come down, and it gets dark. The Merlins cause the most distress with the high speed chase. They are the only BOP that can match Birmingham's for a continual turn for turn chase.
I am looking forward to how the FOR's handle similar tests.
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Hey Keith, I think Alot has to do with the age of the BOP. The 1st year passage birds are just learning to hunt.Some of the old hags are killing machines. I had a female coops that hung around here for a few years she could catch whatever you put up in front of her with ease.If they stay down low a coops can shadow them move for move. Nick
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Re: FORs ability to outmanouver BOP,but are they ever caught?
Kieth I had my first Merlins this year. The OR's are 6-0 against them. They tried from every where, high, low, and in-between. I had never seen one chase birds like that before. They are pesky devils though because they chased the birds for ten to thirty minutes every time. I had four at one time and had to lock down my non evader breeds because of them. Of course the coopers followed them for another couple of weeks.
I think you will do well against the Peri's. But I dont have to deal with them all the time. I had only had one up till this year when I had the pair that nested somewhere around here. Then I had a couple, possibly the same ones during migration.
I also dont have many resident winter time hawks either. I have plenty during the spring and summer but they tire of not eating pretty quick and quit chasing the birds.
Location also plays a really big part in what type BOP you have. I have only been hit once with my Birm kits this year. It was a falcon though I dont know which kind. It hit so fast and flew away with the bird so I believe it was a Peri. Merlins dont look big enough to fly off with a bird.
I fly my Birms in my pasture only a quarter from the "kill zone". One attack versus dozens.
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Sippi, sounds like your place is like seal island with the great white sharks around it.LOL!!!
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