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sippi3
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Feather legs????
I was talking to the birds this morning and discovered that I have a Fehrholt cоck that is slightly booted. I know that he is not a cross or any hanky panky because he was produced in a single mating pen.
Is it a mutation that just popped up?
Is it a throw back to the Persian Roller?
Is there some booted blood in the Fehrholt line?
I may try and propagate it as a side project or just dismiss it. Havent decided yet. If I do try to propagate it I will breed him back to his mother. And of course it may go no further. Only time will tell.
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7/13/2008, 10:01 am
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Re: Feather legs????
I don't know, I have never had one pop up. But boots are a recessive gene that can pop up if there were boots somewhere in their distant ancestry. I have a pair of clean legged Catalonian Tumblers that have produced two booted offspring this year. It's a mystery to me where it came from.
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Re: Feather legs????
Alan, I have booted babies from the pair of Cats I got from you. I have got boots on my Doneks but never the Fehrholz.
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7/13/2008, 10:57 am
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sippi3
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Re: Feather legs????
I believe, but cant prove, that CAR's and FOR's were once the same and were just propagated seperately.
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7/13/2008, 10:58 am
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Re: Feather legs????
I think we all agree that the Fehrholz and the Buff and Tuffs are separate also.
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7/13/2008, 11:01 am
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sippi3
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Re: Feather legs????
I hate the thought of going back to work, but my former company has a highway/tunnel project in Turkey. I need to find out exactly where and see if I could make a trip over via company time and money?
Or maybe not.
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7/13/2008, 11:32 am
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 Re: Feather legs????
Well guys…, there’s a Peacоck in the chicken house somewhere.  It takes two recessive genes to make a dominant. So both parents had to have been carrying at least one type of muff recessive gene, for it to surface into a dominant gene for you to see. That’s the trouble w/ recessives, they can and do pass on through many generations. That’s the reason for inbreeding, to bring those recessives to the surface to cull them out. So Sippi…, yes, if you breed the son back to the mother, your for sure to build up on that recessive. Probably will get at least some muffs the first season. Perhaps even bigger ones! Since the hen is the one that throws in the male gene. And who knows what goes w/ it (from her Pop Pa)?
IMHO…, muffs on a BOP evader can’t be good. As it would tend to slow the maneuverability. To me, muffs are for the show pen. In fact that may be why you got them from the Fehrholtz line. As I understand it, they came from Germany where they also had/ have show ORs. Mr. Fehrholtz, just may not have gotten ALL the show genes out of his stock. It’s quite understandable, as I said above. Recessives can run in the blood lines for many, many generations. It’s just a matter of having the two recessives meet up to bring it to the surface (dominant) for the eye to see. There’s been talk of out crossing, to freshen the line. Sometimes this is good, but if not done in a VERY responsible way, they main thing that happens, is that it just brings in a lot of unwanted (and unseen) recessive genes to get rid of all over again. Thus…., good line breeding has and is still the master breeders choice when ever possible. As some say…, “ breeding quality animals is really just a balancing act w/ living flesh.” Trying to keep the dominant good genes at the surface and the un-wanted/ bad recessive genes down under. And if they surface they get culled. Again thus…, the word pure, purified and words like it are used in breeding. Again, that’s why pedigrees are important to any top breeder of any animal. Pedigrees don’t just show names & dates. They show/ should also have the info of each animals good qualities/ bad, so the breeder can see who/ what comes from whom, down thru the line/ generations.
Sorry, I think I digress…. Have a good fly day guys….
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7/13/2008, 3:05 pm
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Re: Feather legs????
Mufs in OR are like "sofiorka" rearly present but recognized (by standard where I come from) as no foult.
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7/13/2008, 7:21 pm
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sippi3
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Re: Feather legs????
He's just a little booted, no muffs. I wouldnt like full blown muffs on my birds.
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7/13/2008, 7:28 pm
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Re: Feather legs????
I use wrong English word. Smole feathers on legs.
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