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Re: Orme Strain
WES,
I AM EXPERIENCING THE SAME RESULTS AS YOU WITH THE OR's I RAISED.
THEY FLY REGULARLY AT 150-200 FT. HIGH WITH LOTS OF ACROBATIC SPINS,DIVES AND FLIPS.IM FLYING 11 NOW [2008'S] AND EVERYONE IS PERFORMING.SOME NATURALLY BETTER THAN OTHERS.
THEY GO DIRECTLY UP AND SOMETIMES WELL OUT OF SIGHT [DISTANCE WISE]LIKE THEY ARE HOMERS ROUTING.THEY ARE ALSO VERY FAMILIAR WITH BOP ENCOUNTERS AND MANAGE TO COME BACK SAFE.I THOUGHT I LOST 2 ON MONDAY TO A BOP BUT THEY RETURNED 45 MINUTES LATER,UNHARMED BUT IN A HURRY TO TRAP.
ALL IN ALL;THEY DO MUCH MORE THAN I ANTISAPATED.
THANKS FOR YOUR UPDATE.
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Here's an email exchange this week from one of our members, Mark Del Pico about his experiance with Orme birds:
Mark: quote:
Have culled all Orme birds but one yellow cоck that did frequent one rolls ... no heighth or depth, but
at least he rolled 
Alan: Did you fly all out all the Orme birds before culling them?
Mark: quote:
Yep... they were low flying and only the one flipped.... they were definitely "show" type... pretty.
Ah well.... I had many worse, more costly failures when I had racing pigeons until I found the family that worked for me.... then it was watch out
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Mark and Alan to bad about your time and money loss. I got my Ormes from a great pigeon fancier, because I could not fly my homers or BRs any time of year due to the over population of the bop. He said try these ORs to train the bops, he gave me four pair on a trade, and I am still amazed, I can fly my Ormes even when a falcon is in site, the bops take a swoop on ocasion and go there way for easier pray. I'm don't want flyers to think this will cure their bop problems, I still fly my ORs about 3 days a week without a single loss yet and the performance keeps improving. I did not know Samir was going to put some picts of my birds on forum, thanks Samir.
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The story on his birds is you never know what you are going to get or what strain. It is possible to get some good ones because there is no such thing as an "Orme strain." What he has is a bunch of birds from almost every strain available and he don't segregate the strains, he just sells them all as FORs. One buyer might get American show OR's. The next might get German show birds. The next might get a cross between them. He was even selling birds at one time with my band on them. He must of picked them up in a trade because I have never sold him birds.
He was banned from the club because he was begging club members for free birds and then turning around and selling them for 150.00 per pair a few weeks later. Also, Kyle Christiansen gave him something like 50 show OR culls and he turned around and sold them as FLYING orientals for 150.00 per pair. Not a guy I would ever deal with. I have heard nothing but negative about him.
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Wes it looks like you have some Husband mixes at the least. Then you have some colors that arent in the Husband line also. I like the two Almonds. I have a soft spot for almonds. I think I raised my first Stone Almond as the racing folks call them. Not a sprinkle but more grey in color. I like the looks of your birds though.
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Thanks Sippy I have a couple pair of Husbands now and I can see some familiarity with some of my Ormes, they sure ain't all the show ones because the bops don't eat here any more.
Alan I know the Name Orme stirs up some anger with some folks, maybe lots of folks, and I'm sure some flyers don't want to talk about him, but I believe this forum is about learning and camaraderie, I thank all you who share exsperience, we all gain from it. I'm not trying to promote his name, but I sure have fell in love with the breed what ever strain I got.
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I am not reacting out of anger for the man. I don't know him, nor have I ever even spoken with him. As president of this club, I am responsible to be impartial and that also includes bringing out the truth in a properly balanced manner.
If you were lucky enough to get some good birds out of the deal, I am glad for you. You won the game of chance! But to call them the "Orme strain" is a misnomer. Because as I said, there is no such thing. It would be like if I sold you some good Janssen Racing Homers as simply "Racing Homers" and you turned around and called them the "Bliven strain," that would be a misnomer.
I am saying this completely without prejudice. Throughout the years, the number of people unhappy with birds they got from Orme compared to the number of people that were happy is about 20 to 1. That's why I say you won the game of chance. Knowing these numbers, that's why I am responsible to the membership to tell what I know.
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Wes, please don't get the wrong impression. We will accept your birds for what they are, regardless of who you got them from.
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Alan I have only a good impression of your remarks I thank you as it helps all on this forum. Maybe I started this Orme strain thing off wrong but I was told the birds I got were Ormes so maybe I was the one who added the strain part, or I read it somewhere? I was trying to change there name abit by calling them MOORS (Mark Orme Oriental Rollers) to some other fliers. The mention of his name to some degrades the birds I got, I know this, but these birds passed through his hands. I can see now with what you said that the term strain may not work. As I've mentioned before the (ORs) I got really very in body and feather type, but they must be pure or close to it. Like you said I must be the 1 out of 20 and I'm happy with these birds as they performed there #1 mission for me Bop evasion and I'm looking forward to seeing how the Husband Buff and tuffs I got compare, I banded my first one yesterday.
Samir has been giving me some good advise on flying my ORs I have seen some instant improvement in some birds. I'll write more about this.
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