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What do we all consider a Flying Oriental Roller??
There seems to be some misconception among some members of the club here that the only birds considered by the club officers to be true Flying Orientals are birds of either the Husband or Ferholtz strains.I find this to be far from the truth as from what I have been led to beleive in the year I have participated in this forum and club is that any bird that has the physical characteristics of an Oriental Roller,and they perform like Oriental Rollers of the flying description would be considered a true FOR.I am very curious to know how it could be perceived that the club board only considers Husband or Ferholtz birds to be FORs.I have been participating on the Board for a couple months now and with the influence of other board members in mind,I am still hoping (for several months I have been hoping it will happen) to receive some ORs from a couple fellow fanciers who are known to fly Oriental Rollers of different origins than the Husband or Ferholtz strains.I find it strange for anyone to say the Board only considers Husband or Ferholtz to be true FORs.Would anyone care to enlighten me as to where this idea is coming from?Please you guys.We are all just folks wanting to enjoy our birds together and to share our birds and experiences through this club and forum.
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Re: What do we all consider a Flying Oriental Roller??
I have never heard it suggested by any board member or even any club member at large that the the Fehrholz and Husband strains are the ONLY true FOR's. What do I consider a Flying Oriental Roller? Any Oriental Roller bred for performance first. I believe I have written a few articles on this topic and pointed out that there are at least a half a dozen known strains of true FOR's besides the Fehrholz and Husband strains in the US. I believe I can speak for the club and the board, that that's our position on this issue.
Maybe someone got the wrong impression because most of us keep Fehrholz and Husband birds. But that's only because that's what's been available. I don't want to change because I have worked with these for so long and have a hard enough time keeping up with them as it is.
I used to have two other strains of FOR's; John Nelson's and Carlisle Kelly's but I sold them because I couldn't keep up with these other two. I do have one pair of pearl eyed whites in which Carlisle gifted to me the cоck, and he even paid for the shipping and box and asked nothing in return.
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Re: What do we all consider a Flying Oriental Roller??
I'm the one who told the Husband/Fehrholz only issue to the board. I have heard it from a few members. They had concerns about it,so I mentioned it to the board. Yes, Alan you are correct they haven't mentioned it here. Maybe they think it's a waste of time or don't want to stir things up. I want the club to succeed for everyone and I'm willing to take some heat to see that it goes good.
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Re: What do we all consider a Flying Oriental Roller??
We should put some of these things to rest one way or another. It's not good that undermining gossip is going around. The problem is when men, like old ladies are so quick to believe and participate in gossip. It's not healthy.
The simplest way is to trace this back to who and where did anyone ever say or even suggest that the Fehrholz and Husband strains are the only true FOR's? Personally, I have never even heard it even suggested. I have heard people (including myself) say that I preferred these strains, but that don't mean I exclude all other strains as being true. I take that back, Bruce once said he believed the Husband strain was the only "pure" strain. But Bruce does not represent this club. In fact Bruce is the ONLY one that was ever banned from this forum.
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Actually this is a timely forum for me.I just acquired 4 OR's from someone other than a club member. After reading a couple comments pertaining to only buying birds from club members, I was seriously thinking on not mentioning I had birds. They look like OR's and the person I bought them from says they are the best birds he has ever had. Of course that remains to be seen until They have been flown, and even then, that remains a big question being i'm only a rookie and really don't know what to expect. The pair are bluebars and the squeeks appear to be dunns. Soon as some decent weather gets to western Pa., i'll take some pictures & post them. I'm in the process of tracing them back to their origin right now, but haven't received an answer back yet.
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I happen to have only the Husband and Fehrholz birds in my loft. That isn't because I think they are the best birds. It is simply because these are the only birds I could acquire that would perform. I did lots of reading and learned that lots of the show type birds are not very good performers. I wanted birds that were already proven because I don't have the time to develop my own line.
I did see the video of Amir's birds and, if I didn't already have the other lines, I would have definitely considered trying to get some from him.
I joined this club because I like its mission. We are about flying oriental rollers. I don't care what line they are out of - I just like to watch them fly! I'd still have some BR if the hawks didn't eat all of them.
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Re: What do we all consider a Flying Oriental Roller??
I happen to have ormes,hulls,kelly,fehrholz and husbands as far as i know.i must admit with all due respect,i neglected to talk much about my ormes and teddy hull lines because of their lack of popularity on the forum and felt that the fehrholz and husband lines were the #1 birds to have.My flying experience with all my or's have been very gradifying in all strains.in all honesty,im not sure what true lines any birds in my yard are out of except for what the sellers tell me.fact is,i enjoy flying all lines of or's,i totally enjoy the club and all the help i received from everyone in it.
my respect goes out to all involved in this discussion.
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 Re: What do we all consider a Flying Oriental Roller??
(not that anyone has asked, but….)
There are many different strains/ bloodlines of Oriental Rollers. Many have the name of the breeder that produced the strain (mostly in the U.S.). BUT! There are many from other countries, that are called by the name of the city/town they come from, or the country that city is in. ALL…, are Oriental Rollers, if they qualify by the description given as an Oriental Roller. Which is…, that they HAVE TO HAVE 14 - 21 tail feathers (held above horizontal), they HAVE TO carry their wings under their tail. And lastly, the one fact that REALLY makes them an Oriental Roller, is that they have NO OIL GLAND at the base of their tail. If they have ALL of these three features, then they come from a long line of pigeons produced in Persia, centuries ago. THEY ARE ORIENTAL ROLLERS !!!!!!!
I wish the membership would get off this thread of what is and isn’t an Oriental Roller.  If your not familiar w/ the history of the breed, then I suggest you try starting w/ my website (page Oriental Roller History) and do a little reading on the subject. Then go from there and see what else you can learn/ find out, about this fascinating pigeon that has been handed down to us through the centuries. Again, the name GIVEN to the bird is not as important to what it truly is, but the features that bird has, to do the job in flight. In the U.S. the prefix (name) before the words Oriental Roller, is JUST the strain/ bloodline. ALL are still Oriental Rollers, and therefore acceptable to be included in this organization…., the FORS.
All of the above is true and possible, because (as you’ll learn from their history) this breed was passed around from one group of people to another, from one country to another, from one continent to another. In each place the breed prospered, and in each place the breed took on/ was given the name those people thought appropriate at the time. Keep in mind, it has only been in the last couple or so centuries that a name was even given to a certain type breed of animal. Before that it was just a pigeon, a hog, a horse.
If I'M WRONG…., PLEASE let me know, as I’m in the wrong club!!!!!!
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